Field peas

[dbltree]

I have been following research that they are doing here in SE Iowa planting field peas for use in hog rations. Sounds very interesting as it can be planted very very early spring or mid to late July as it needs to flower in cool weather.

I hope Kaare (Saskguy) will comment on this becasue if I recall he mentioned once before that deer didn't eat them until they dried down (I could be wrong on that?) but if that is the case it would be a great food plot in high deer density areas. They would leave it alone until fall which would be perfect!

Field Peas in SE IA (http://nationalhogfarmer.com/mag/farming_field_peas_show/index.html)

Facts on Field Pea Planting/Establishment (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/procrop/pea/plaest05.htm)

Cover Crops: Field Peas (http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/cover_crops01/fieldpeas.htm)

Growing Field Peas (http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/html/em/em8698/)

Field Pea (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/alt-ag/fieldpea.htm)

Dry Field Peas (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/drypea.html)

It's cheap enough and can be grown with cereal grains also.

Field Peas (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=228)

Pea Oatlage (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=225)

Pea Tritlage (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=227)


Field Pea (Pisum sativum L.), a native of Southwest Asia, was among the first crops cultivated by man. Wild field pea can still be found in Afghanistan, Iran and Ethiopia

Austrian Winter Pea (Pisum sativum spp arvense) is a fall-seeded pea introduced from Austria to the Pacific Northwest in the 1930s.



Field pea can be grown on a wide range of soil types, from light sandy loams to heavy clays, but in any soil there must be good drainage as field pea does not tolerate soggy or water-soaked conditions. The soil pH optimum is 5.5 to 6.5.


Interesting possibles especially with the soybean pests and diseases invading this area. Seed isn't RR but a whole bunch cheaper and with a much shorter growing season weeds wouldn't be as much of a problem.

Maybe my deer wouldn't like them... ;)

yeah right... :D

[timekiller]

My waterfowl hunting dreams would come true if peas would somehow replace beans in this state.

[SaskGuy]

There is absolutely nothing here that will draw deer like a field of peas, especially after they have ripened. The will eat them some while they're little but when they are growing and green they can be a real tangle to walk through. After they ripen, manouvering in them is easier for the deer. The peas themselves are a high protein food and the deer love them here, they'll travel a mile past alfalfa fields to eat the peas that have been left behind when the combine passes. Lots of them shell out and are knocked off without going through the combine. I know a guy who picked up 68, yes 68 sheds off of one single field of pea stubble last winter. Every deer in the area was on it. They have a short growing season so you could get away with planting them late and leaving them for a fall plot. If I had my own dirt...I would. Oh yes, and every guy that is pounding the heck out of honkers here right now is doing it on pea stubble. :)

[dbltree]

There is absolutely nothing here that will draw deer like a field of peas, especially after they have ripened.



Thanks for filling us in on the field peas Kaare! :)

ISU has already done enough testing here over the past several years to know that they will grow well here.

Now it's just a matter of trying it in some food plots and comparing it. I know deer can wipe out a small soybean or Austrian Winter Pea plot but if the field peas don't have the same attraction until they get ripe, that could be good thing.

I think I'll try some in the spring as a test to see what happens...if that goes Ok I'll try more in a summer seeding for fall feed.

[SaskGuy]

if the field peas don't have the same attraction until they get ripe



I won't say for certain that they don't b/c it isn't really feasible to tell on the avg. 160 acre field b/c there are not enough deer to wipe one out in the early stages. can say that they don't really appear on them until those peas are hard like stones...crunch, crunch. :)

[bjkpharmd]

I don't know the guy but he was written up in Iowa Farmer Today a while back- he was double cropping field peas because the growing season was long enough. Be nice to start something in July for a fall plot.

Seed would run ~$32/acre at those rates.

[Bighole]

You got me a little interested, here's some more info. that I found. Dry Field Pea (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/drypea.html)

Would you plant it by itself in the spring?

[SaskGuy]

I'd plant them by themselves, no need for anything else, they'll fill out the dirt in a hurry. If you planted them in the spring, they'd be plenty ripe by Sept, no green growth to browse on but as stated before, they really like them when the peas themselves mature. Stuff seeded here in mid May is usually combined by late August, and we don't get the heat units you guys do.

[bjkpharmd]

Would you plant it by itself in the spring?



I'm thinking in a rotation with rye- rye in the fall, mow in July- disk and plant peas for following fall. Not sure what to follow on peas in the spring- something that can use the nitrogen.

[Bighole]

I agree, I think that if I were going to plant peas in the spring I would do them alone, but if I wanted them for a fall food plot I would plant in mid August with a mix of Winter Wheat and Rye. The following summer (July) I would then disk under the WW and Rye and broadcast a mix of Brassicas over the disked WW and Rye, our experience has been that the WW and Rye will come back, if there were any seed heads left on it when it was disked. The result will be a nice plot of Brassicas, WW and Rye. The following spring (May) I would disk it under again, spray it with Roundup a couple of weeks later and then drill in a mix of forage and grain Sorghum, not sure if there would be any benefit from the nitrogen at this point, but it does give you a 3 yr. plan.

[dbltree]

I agree, I think that if I were going to plant peas in the spring I would do them alone, but if I wanted them for a fall food plot I would plant in mid August with a mix of Winter Wheat and Rye. The following summer (July) I would then disk under the WW and Rye and broadcast a mix of Brassicas over the disked WW and Rye, our experience has been that the WW and Rye will come back, if there were any seed heads left on it when it was disked. The result will be a nice plot of Brassicas, WW and Rye. The following spring (May) I would disk it under again, spray it with Roundup a couple of weeks later and then drill in a mix of forage and grain Sorghum, not sure if there would be any benefit from the nitrogen at this point, but it does give you a 3 yr. plan.



Hey you guys have already got this all figured out! ;)

Here's another link with some good info including herbicides that can be used, like Poast and Dual Magnum.

Notice they are grown in northern areas with short growing seasons which is why ISU saw the potential for double cropping them here. (after wheat harvest for instance)

Another possible is buckwheat in the spring, till it under in July and then FP's

Of course some guys have a real handy no-till drill which would work great to just drill right into standing wheat or buckwheat ;)

Field Peas in Montana (http://cipm.ncsu.edu/cropprofiles/docs/mtdrypea.html)

[huntdoc]

Looks like a great option. Two questions, could you still plant it now given the cold hardy nature of the plant and hope for no severe cold? Also,any options for broadcasting seed into existing plot? I do plots the hard way, all backpack and no implements.

[dbltree]

Looks like a great option. Two questions, could you still plant it now given the cold hardy nature of the plant and hope for no severe cold? Also,any options for broadcasting seed into existing plot? I do plots the hard way, all backpack and no implements.



I think it's way to late to plant now. Talking frost in low lying areas in the morning. I think it needs to be planted in late July to allow it to produce peas which is what the deer would feed on.

I'm sure it can be no-tilled and I see it can be planted about 3" deep in summer so seed can get moisture if it's dry.

I think it would need to be "planted" rather then overseeded on bare ground...sounds like wildlife would scarf up the seed in no time. :)

[dbltree]

Just a couple shots of the field peas and oats I planted in April.

I haven't noticed any heavy grazing of the peas yet:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeas-2.jpg

They seem to do well in fertile areas but are pale white on poor soils.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeas2.jpg

This was mostly a test to see if deer would graze them to the ground like soybeans or leave them alone so I didn't fertilize...just tilled and planted.

I will till it all under this summer and perhaps try test plots to compare field peas with austrian winter peas and different mixes of oats and rye for fall forage.

It looks like planting rates could certainly be a lot heavier.

[turkeyriver]

I have been planting field peas and oats as a cover crop for alfalfa for quite a few years. I plant early in the spring and cut the crop for silage around July 1st. In the next month the peas will grow like you won't believe. They will make vines six feet long. Your stand looks about right. If you plant them thicker you could end up with something hard to plow or disk down. I'm guessing that the further south and the more fertile the soil, the thicker and longer the vines. I posted on here before about a small plot of oats and peas I planted last Aug. The deer preferred it over anything else and never let the peas mature. Be interesting to see if deer like the mature peas better than soybeans or corn this winter.

[SaskGuy]

DON"T TILL THOSE PEAS UNDER!!!

Like I said...those mature peas......like deer jerky to us, that's how much they like them when mature..at least up nort eh?

[dbltree]

DON"T TILL THOSE PEAS UNDER!!!





I was just thinking these would be "too mature" by fall so my intentions were to re-plant in July...guess I'll see how these do...or perhaps mowing them is a better option and letting them regrow?

[SaskGuy]

If you can replant in July and have them mature by Oct then it's not a bad idea...but there is no such thing as too ripe. Here they're usually combined in late Aug early Sept and the pea stubble draws them like a moth to a flame right through the winter.

[dbltree]

If you can replant in July and have them mature by Oct then it's not a bad idea...but there is no such thing as too ripe. Here they're usually combined in late Aug early Sept and the pea stubble draws them like a moth to a flame right through the winter.



Thanks for the feedback on these peas because they are new to me.

My main thought right now is...will they leave the small plants alone and so far so good.

They could be far better then soybeans if they will allow them to grow...I'll be keeping an eye on them!

[bowhuntr311]

After discussing some things with my hunting partner we have elected a spot on some new hunting ground that we can put food plots into. Peas have been on my mind since last summer.

With planting in Mid-Late July, what about moisture??? I am always scared to plant anything in Mid summer becuase it seems like from July 10th on we dont get any decent rains till End of August. Just hot dry sun.

How much moisture do you think peas will need. More less than clover or rye or rape?

Dean

[dbltree]

bowhuntr311
After discussing some things with my hunting partner we have elected a spot on some new hunting ground that we can put food plots into. Peas have been on my mind since last summer.


With planting in Mid-Late July, what about moisture??? I am always scared to plant anything in Mid summer becuase it seems like from July 10th on we dont get any decent rains till End of August. Just hot dry sun.

How much moisture do you think peas will need. More less than clover or rye or rape?

Dean




The ISU tests were done to show that Field Peas could be double cropped with wheat and here in SE Iowa where we have a longer growing season it can work out great to plant them mid to late summer.

In your area however I would plant the peas in early spring just as our Canadian friends do and the deer will feed on the dried peas later in the fall.

Plant them the same time you would plant oats in your area and you won't have to worry about moisture problems.

Here's a few more links on Field Peas:

N.D. Field Peas (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/rowcrops/a1166w.htm)

Wisconsin Field Peas (http://corn.agronomy.wisc.edu/alternativecrops/FieldPea.htm)

More field peas (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/drypea.html)

[dbltree]

Nannyslayer is going to help me out with some field pea testing this year but I think for best results in having fall feed I will plant them mid-summer.

Field Peas in Iowa (http://www.iowapork.org/rscinfo/field_peas.html)

Field peas need to flower in cool weather so they either need to be planted in very early spring or in mid summer so they will flower in early fall.

I'm thinking I will plant some buckwheat and then till it under to plant peas in July. I also wonder about adding a light mix of oats with the peas to give deer something to forage at first.

Deer didn't seem to eat the peas (when green) I planted last spring compared to the soybeans which they literally killed.

Note in the article the cost of planting peas is much less then most other crops. I think Rob and Jason planted them with sorghum if I'm not mistaken.

I'm also unsure if deer will immediately learn to eat the peas when they dry? Perhaps like some don't take to brassicas at first?

Sure would be nice to plant something that they will leave alone until October...

[timekiller]

dbltree-
I've looked, but have been unable to find anything. How did the peas work out for you last fall? Did the deer let them mature? Or did they even mature?

[dbltree]

Originally Posted By: timekiller
dbltree-
I've looked, but have been unable to find anything. How did the peas work out for you last fall? Did the deer let them mature? Or did they even mature?





I planted them with oats in very early spring (like about this time of year) and they did great at first but then my wife ended up in the hospital and I didn't get to even look at them for almost 3 months. When I did everything had grown into a giant mess of ragweed.

I could have used some weed control or clipped the tops of the weeds or just about anything but...it wasn't to be. I planted them in small test plots that had never been tilled and it released a "hundred" years worth of weed seeds...

Barring any unforseen disasters I hope to have better results this time. I also hope planting them mid summer will help with the weed problem.

[Deerwatcher]

I am going to give these 4010 field peas a test here in Southern Wisconsin;Last month I drove to Welters to pick up seed and that was one of my items on my list. If they are half as good as soybeans late season that will be dynamite.

[Bighole]

Doubletree is correct, we did plant them in about a 2 acre plot with forage sorghum last year. The plot alos had some sunflowers in it. The peas grew great and really climbed up on the sorghum and sunflowers. They produced alot of forage but were not browsed as heavily as we thought they might be. I think, sometimes it just takes them a little time to figure out that they want to eat them.

Later in the year, in late October alot of the sorghum got blown over in a wind storm, this took alot of feed to the ground. After it was covered with snow, and the deer not being as picky about what they ate, they dug through the snow to get at the sorghum and peas beneath it.

We are planning the same type of planting this year, about 7 acres in total with the biggest field being about 3 acres. We liked them enough to give it another shot!

Jason

[SaskGuy]

I've said if before and I'll say it again......field peas here, are absolutely dynamite after they've matured and there is no green growth left, absolutely dynamite. I wish I had enough bare ground on my property to plant some of them.

[dbltree]

we did plant them in about a 2 acre plot with forage sorghum last year. The plot also had some sunflowers in it. The peas grew great and really climbed up on the sorghum and sunflowers. They produced alot of forage but were not browsed as heavily as we thought they might be. I think, sometimes it just takes them a little time to figure out that they want to eat them.




Sounds like a great "wildlife combo" for sure! I'm thinking the same thing that in some cases deer might not use them heavily at first but I suspect eventually they will be awesome late season feed.



If you have any other information that might be helpful such as fertilizer and herbicide used (if any) that would be helpful to all those curious about peas.

I think the sorghum combo is excellent but I'm trying to stay away from the need for nitrogen...

[FarmlandQDM]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbltree</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you have any other information that might be helpful such as fertilizer and herbicide used (if any) that would be helpful to all those curious about peas.

I think the sorghum combo is excellent but I'm trying to stay away from the need for nitrogen... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

The photos below are from the foodplot you and Jason are referring to. The first is from the middle of August, the second is from the end of September.

August 07
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/FarmlandQDM/flood007.jpg

September 07
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/FarmlandQDM/DSC04002.jpg

The foodplot above was a two acre field drilled in mid-May with 5 lbs of forage sorghum, 5 lbs of sunflowers, and 50 lbs of black audry cowpeas. The field was planted to sorghum the previous two years and burned off each spring before planting. No fertilizer or lime has ever been applied to the field. Three days after drilling the seed we sprayed round-up.

The cowpeas we planted were a forage type cowpea that vines aggressively and the sorghum and sunflowers were planted for the vines to grow on. Two things I liked about the plot is how green it stayed into the fall (thru most of October) and how it provided tall (7-8ft) edible hiding cover into the hunting season ... the deer usage really peaked in October ... if you look close at the second photo you can see where they have just started to nip leaves off. Like Jason said that could also be do to the theory that our deer needed to develop a taste for them. Sunflowers have gone through the same transition on our property ... the first year the deer used them a little and now they eat them before they get a chance to develop heads ... that's why you can't see any in the photos.

I really liked the results of this plot, and think it could fit well into a legume/grass rotation that may elliminate the need for fertilizer, but I did not intend to post anything on them for another year ... from what I saw last year this type of cowpea in our area is extremely competitive and I hope they don't reseed themselves. Paul you know how I feel about introducing invasive problems and before I encourage others to plant what we did I would like to see if they come back.

[dbltree]

I really liked the results of this plot, and think it could fit well into a legume/grass rotation that may elliminate the need for fertilizer, but I did not intend to post anything on them for another year ... from what I saw last year this type of cowpea in our area is extremely competitive and I hope they don't reseed themselves. Paul you know how I feel about introducing invasive problems and before I encourage others to plant what we did I would like to see if they come back.



I hear you Rob...the cowpeas are a little different then the field peas but very interesting if they don't become invasive.

I'm even more interested in "sustainable" foodplots without the need for high cost inputs.

Keep us posted! :)

[dbltree]

I'm still learning about field peas but one thing that is important is that they peas need to flower in cool weather which is why one plants them very early spring or mid summer so they flower in the fall.

The wet spring didn't allow for early planting so I planted a couple bags the other day and saved two bags for a later summer planting.

"Life happens" they say and last springs attempt didn't work so well just because other things were going on, but hopefully this time I can moniter progress and see how they do.

I planted forage peas from nannyslayer which were priced very reasonably compared to Welters, so check with Brian if you decide to try any field peas.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeas-3.jpg

I mixed them 50-50 with forage oats also from nannyslayer. This is a common mix to use for cattle grazing or for "oatlage".

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/ForageOats.jpg

I used a spreader to seed them which takes a little "by guess and by gosh" adjusting to get the amount right. :D

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Adjustspreader.jpg

I put in the peas...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeaSeed.jpg

added a dab of water and pea inoculate from Welters...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peainoculate.jpg

Then mixed in oats...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/OatsandPeas.jpg

We double disced the ground first, broadcast the seed on and the ran the tiller down (but off) and the cultipacker over it to cover the seed and firm it in. The loose disced soil covered the seed well when we ran the packer over it.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Equipment/Tillnpack.jpg

Unlike small clover or alfalfa seed peas and oats can be planted deeper.

I'm trying to use some type of legume in all of my plantings, so that not only does it not require nitrogen but it will also fix nitrogen that can be used to some extent by the following crop.
Peas are one of those crops with great potential, providing a lowcost, low input food source for late season hunting.

In this case I'm hoping the oats will provide forage at first and also act as a weed inhibiter. I will just see what happens...I may have to kill the oats and weeds with a herbicide later...or the deer may just mow them all off to the nubs...

stay tuned...:)

[SaskGuy]

I'm still learning about field peas but one thing that is important is that they peas need to flower in cool weather



Very important point. My father seeds a couple hundred acres of field peas or lentils each yr among other things and if they're flowering when it's smoking hot...expect production to be down b/c of "blosson drop".

By the way..I wish like hell I had your equipment.

[dbltree]

if they're flowering when it's smoking hot...expect production to be down b/c of "blosson drop".





That's what I figured...and if you think it gets hot up there, you can't even imagine what is like here mid-summer

I also planted some Austrian Winter Peas in another mix so I'm curious to see if deer eat the foliage of one over another?

I'm hoping they leave the field peas alone until they actually make peas...dang things like to eat me outa house n home round here... :D

[dbltree]

Here are some pics of my field peas and forage oats as of June 1

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peanoatgrowth6-1.jpg

They seem to be growing good...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peagrowth06-1.jpg

A few have been nipped but so far nothing has been decimated...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Nippedpeas.jpg

Like everything else I'm hoping that the forage oats will keep em busy and let the peas grow...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeasnoats6-1.jpg

I tried to plant the oats fairly thick and they are a grazing type so hopefully they will provide a distraction for now.:)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Forageoatsnpeas6-1.jpg

If they don't flower well because of heat this summer I'll till them under and plant a second patch in July so that they will flower in cool weather.

They are side by side with the RR soybeans so that will be interesting to watch as well.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/soynpea.jpg

Those peas look mighty tasty compared to the soybean plant...but what do I know, I prefer steak...it's what's for dinner!:D

[Field Service]

I have a feeling you just planted a deer's version of ice cream with chocolate sauce.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

How large of a plot is it?

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Field Service</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a feeling you just planted a deer's version of ice cream with chocolate sauce.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

How large of a plot is it? </div></div>

I planted roughly 1- 1/2 to 2 acres in split plots with RR soybeans in the middle and alfalfa on the outside edges. The entire area is 6 acres not including several acres of clover and adjacent alfalfa and crop fields.

This runway is headed straight for the "ice cream" however, so it will be well tested... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/6-180runway.jpg

This is another link to growing field peas:

Field Pea - production and management (http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/crops/pulsecrops/bhe01s01.html)

[dbltree]

Field pea progess as of June 28:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeaHt.jpg

They are starting to flower but because we are getting into the heat of the summer, the pods may not fill well if at all.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeasflowering6-28.jpg

This is why peas generally should be planted very early spring or mid summer so that they flower in cooler seasons.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Floweringpeas6-28.jpg

The peas seem to grow well along with the forage oats but I have no idea how much growth to expect?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Nicepea.jpg

I found some that were nipped but nothing like the beating the soybeans planted right next to them are taking.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/NippedPeas-1.jpg

The peas look so much tastier to me then then the soybean plants so I am really surprised that they haven't been eaten to the ground?

If this doesn't change then field peas could prove to be a better option for high deer density areas but it's too soon to tell.

Here's a pic of a RR soybean and a field pea where they over lapped, both on June 28th approx 6 weeks after being planted

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Soynpea6-28.jpg

The forage oats and peas seem to go together real well and it appeared that the peas were starting to climb the oats in some places. If you look at the oat stems you can see where they had been grazed early on leaving a stem/stalk rather then a seed head.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peasnoats.jpg

Some peas were very pale and looked like they had not had enough moisture the week before?? We have had tons of rain but we also had a week and a 1/2 with no rain.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PalePeas.jpg


I get the feeling that peas need very fertile moist soils and cooler growing conditions while soybeans can endure dry spells and thrive in our very hot summers.

I'll be watching these spring planted peas to see if they set peas or not and will plant or re-plant another batch that will flower in the fall.

Ideally I would love to plant them mid August (ISU says late July) so that I could add oats and rye which would give me a "can't fail" combo for fall. If they flower at 6 weeks then that would mean the end of September and hopefully dried peas by late October but...I still have a lot to learn about field peas! :)

Here is more information about spring versus fall planting in SE Iowa...sounds like fall planted peas yield better then spring!



**Fawcett said they are experimenting with both spring- and fall-planted peas. He said peas in one field planted in October grew about twice as tall as the spring-planted peas, and yielded about five bushels per acre more than the spring-planted peas. He said he had hoped that fall-planted peas could be harvested a week or two sooner than spring-planted peas, but this year they both matured at about the same time.





**The above taken from the follwing link: Field peas and Pigs (http://www.iowapork.org/rscinfo/field_peas.html)

Select Max (clethodim) along with 1% crop oil can be used to control grasses in field peas at 9-16 ounces per acre.

Poast (sethoxydim) can be used at 0.5 to 1.5 pt also with 1% crop oil to control annual grasses.

2008 North Dakota Weed Control Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253-1c.htm)

Select Max Label (http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld6SQ027.pdf)

These herbicides will kill the oats of course oats or rye will give the peas something to climb on.

Field Pea Production in ND (http://www.pulseusa.com/production/pdf/fieldpea.pdf)

From that link a few notables:



The seeding rate will depend on the size of the seed.
Field pea varieties will range from 1,600 to 5,000 seeds
per pound. A plant population of 300,000 plants per acre
or seven to eight plants per square foot is recommended.





I used inoculate specifcally for peas...whew! :D



Producers must be certain that the
inoculum product they obtain is specific for field pea.
Use of an inoculum labeled for soybean, clover or other
legume will not allow the nitrogen fixation process to
occur.





I need to check this...perhaps N levels were to low intially??



Growers should check their fields to determine if
inoculation was successful. Normally, nodules will
form on the roots two to four weeks after emergence.
To check for nodulation, carefully dig up a number
of plants and gently clear the soil from the root mass.
Nodules will be present both on the primary root and on
the lateral roots. Effective nodules will have a pink to red
coloration on their interior. If nodulation does not occur
and soil nitrogen levels are low, an application of nitrogen
fertilizer over the top may be required to optimize seed
yields. Nitrogen fixation will take place from about
four weeks after emergence through seed formation.





This is consitant with what I have noticed so far...approx 6 weeks to flowering and two-four weeks of flowering. So it seems that mid August planting might at least be possible.



Field pea is well adapted to cool, semi-arid climates.
Field pea seed will germinate at a soil temperature of
40 degrees F. Emergence normally takes 10 to 14 days.
Field pea has hypogeal emergence in which the cotyledons
remain below the soil surface. Seedlings are tolerant to
spring frosts in the low 20s and if injured by frost,
a new shoot will emerge from below the soil surface.

Flowering usually begins 40 to 50 days after planting.
Flowering is normally two to four weeks, depending
on the flowering habit and weather during flowering.

[nannyslayer]

Good update. I am going to plant the pea's in Mid July, we'll see what happens. From what our distict manager says, planting field pea's in mid April will yield you the best return (in SW Iowa), but can be planted as late as July and still produce a pea, just not likely to yield very much.

[nannyslayer]

Also Paul, is this the same field that you sprayed the Dual in last year? If it is, you may be seeing alittle bit of carry over, especially in the wetter soils, from it. It will not hurt the plant, but dual acts like a pigment inhibitor such as callisto (all thought both are different chemicals with different modes of action.) at times, so that may be what you are seeing.

[dbltree]

is this the same field that you sprayed the Dual in last year? Dual acts like a pigment inhibitor such as callisto



Yes it is...interesting to know that it would have some carry over effect.

I also wondered about some nitrate leaching with all the rain this spring. If peas need a little nitrogen to get started they could be coming up short at first.

Think I'll check the roots and see what they look like. Field peas can get up to 30" of growth so they have a long way to go to get anywhere near that.

[dbltree]

I sprayed my field peas with Select 2 EC grass herbicide the other day...same deal as with the clover. I used 10 ounces with 1% crop oil but less might have been enough. Rates vary depending on what kind of grass but I was only dealing with foxtail.

2008 ND Weed Guide (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/weeds/w253/w253-1c.htm) says 9-16 ounces for Select Max or 4-8 ounces for Clethodim for control of annual weeds and quackgrass.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Select2EC.jpg

Just remember to use crop oil and keep it agitated

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Usewcropoil.jpg

Peas seem to be doing well and the oats are headed out so killing them with the Select isn't going to matter at this point.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/7-4oatsnpeas.jpg

Some had pods

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeapod7-4.jpg

but the foxtail was starting to worry me a bit

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FoxtailinPeas.jpg

I'll check it a week or so and post results and I'll soon be planting a second patch that should flower during cooler weather that should yield more peas this fall.

[dbltree]

I sprayed the field peas a few weeks ago with Select 2 EC and I missed a little strip which tells the whole story! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Missedfoxtail.jpg

This is another spot I missed so you can see what a mess it would be if I hadn't used a grass herbicide.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Foxtailclump.jpg

I hit the spots I missed today to finish cleaning them up. Notice that since the oats were already heading out the stems are still standing for the peas to climb on.

7-24 Field Peas and killed oats

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldPeas7-24.jpg


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/7-24Peas.jpg

Some pods have very tiny peas that haven't developed yet

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PeaPod.jpg

Others are pretty well filled

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peasinapod.jpg

Full pod

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Fullpod.jpg

They look like...well...peas!! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas.jpg

Many are grazed but nothing remotely like the soybeans which is what I was hoping.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Grazedpeas.jpg

Soybeans and field peas together make an interesting combo! If one uses Select to kill grasses and oats as a nurse crop, there is no reason why the two can't be grown together.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Soysnpeas-1.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peasnbeans.jpg

Since these peas were late spring planted the heat is preventing them from filling as well as they would if they flowered during cool weather. There will not be enough peas on these to provide a substantial fall attractant not to mention that the oats are now dead.

Late July is the best time to plant for optimum fall yields as they will flower when it is cooler but that is too early for oats.

These are roughly 10 weeks old so I think I will plant my second patch in mid August along with oats and rye. No matter what the peas do I will have a fall draw via the cereal grains.

October 16th is our earliest average fall frost date here in SE Iowa so that puts me roughly inside thegrowing window. Flowering will be during cooler weather and regardless if they set many peas they will provide fall grazing.

Peas are cold tolerant so a light frost shouldn't affect them much anyway.

I do really like these because they don't seem to kill them when young like the soybeans, however without soybeans they may turn on the peas with a vengance..stay tuned! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dbltree]

So what is the difference between field peas and Austrian Winter Peas??

Dang little! ;)



Field Pea (Pisum sativum L.), a native of Southwest Asia, was among the first crops cultivated by man. Wild field pea can still be found in Afghanistan, Iran and Ethiopia

Austrian Winter Pea (Pisum sativum spp arvense) is a fall-seeded pea introduced from Austria to the Pacific Northwest in the 1930s.




The names are often inter-changed but it would suffice to say that field peas have been bred for dry pea production while AWP are used primarily for forage grazing or hay.

In that respect perhaps it's like comparing soybeans bred for grain production and forage soys bred for grazing attributes.

In either event I planted my FIELD PEAS this past week to see how a late summer planting of oats and peas will fare.

The object of field peas of course is for deer to take advantage of the dried peas later in the fall. Peas are a cool weather crop so we want them to flower during cool fall weather.

I tilled down a spring oat/pea plot and replanted at 100#'s of field peas per acre. I tilled down mature oats and added a sprinklng of new oat seed although I'm sure it wasn't needed.

The spring peas were 3 months along and looked like this in late July...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Dryandgreenpeas.jpg

Some had dried down

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Driedpeas08-01-08.jpg

Some were still flowering

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FloweringPeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PeasandOats.jpg

The oats were fully mature

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oats08-01-08.jpg

by early August the patch started to get weedy and the hot temps started to wilt the peas

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PeanOatMix.jpg

This is basically what I expected so I had saved a couple bags of Nannyslayers field peas to plant this summer.

I didn't want to plant the oats to early so I waited till mid August and tilled the whole mess under...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Tillinunder.jpg

The ground was dry and hard as a rock and didn't till worth a hoot and I was wishing I would haved disced it first.

The straw and weeds didn't want to mix well in the dry hard soil

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/StrawMulch.jpg

but eventually I got is stirred up enough to plant

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/SeedSoil.jpg

Even with the heavy mulch on top the seed easily fell thru the straw to the soil below. I scraped the straw back to reveal the seed below...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/TilledinOats.jpg

I used my bag seeder to broadcast the seed (a small coffee can works well to move seed "bag to bag")

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PlantinPeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/FieldpeaSeed-1.jpg

I also spread a few more oats and then ran the cultipacker over it. I took this close up for those that haven't used a cultipacker, showing how the ridge of the packer wheels support the weight and allows it to firm the soil around the seed rather then pack it soild.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PackerWheels.jpg

I added about 8-10#'s of nannyslayers red clover seed

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/RedCarpet.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/RedCloverseed-1.jpg

it's pre-inoculated

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Inoculant-2.jpg

but always check the exp. date

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Expdate.jpg

and rolled it again...note the "ridges" rather then flat soil surface

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PackedSoilSurface.jpg

It was a dusty job...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/DustyJob.jpg

Rained a good 1/2" and more since planting so we'll see how the fall planting turns out.

Will it flower and produce peas before cold weather?

Will deer treat it differently now that the soybeans are gone and forage on the plant itself?

Will mid August oats get to mature?

Average first frost in my area is Oct 5th but some years it's Thanksgiving before it freezes, so who knows what Mother Nature has in store?

Time will tell.... ;)

[huntyak]

How much more beneficial is a cultipacker compared to a roller?

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntyak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much more beneficial is a cultipacker compared to a roller? </div></div>

HUGE!! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

There is a reason as noted in the pics above why a cultipacker is not a flat cylinder but a series of ridged concaved wheels.

This shape allows you to just firm the soil over seeds rather then rolling it like a pancake... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

A cultipacker crumbles clods and loose soil and leaves a beautiful firm growing surface for need seeds to emerge.

Air is an enemy of seeds, so we want the soil firmly closed around the seeds. Look at a corn or bean planter, each row has a packer wheel to firm the soil over top of that row only. Loose soil inbetween the rows means it will take longer for weed seeds to emerge.

Ever plant a garden? We used to put seeds in the "hoed row" (remember that old saying..."I didn't have a row to hoe" /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif )and then we lightly pressed the soil over top of the seeds with our feet...we didn't jump up and down and stomp the livin daylights out of the soil...see what I mean?

Firm...not packed...that's what a cultipacker does...keep your eyes open for one at an auction sale someday! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[huntyak]

I'll have to get one as my "roller" just has never worked well and truly PACKS it. So, i think tom I will use my 4 wheeler to pack it in. Anybody ever done that? Never done it but it has to be better than that giant of a roller I have.

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think tom I will use my 4 wheeler to pack it in. Anybody ever done that? </div></div>

Absoultely! I done it many may times in small plots...just keep moving over the width of the tires until you get it covered. Far better then a big heavy flat roller /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

[doublerack]

We planted our peas with rye August 9th. I'm affraid we're going to have a weak thin crop as although we broadcast it fairly heavy, the tractor broke down so we couldn't cultipack it. Ended up using a cattle pannel as a drag. I'm affraid that with the lack of rain is going to hurt us.
What I wouldn't give for a good 1.5" of rain this week!

[huntyak]

So I planted Rye and clover yesterday but see no rain forecasted for the next 10 days. The rain we had the past few days made the soil great but now I am not sure if ANYTHING will grow without any rain. How drought resistant is rye and although it can be planted 1.5" inches deep, is shallower just as effective?

[dbltree]

When I tilled down my standing crop or spring oats and field peas it was very dry and the soil was hard as a rock!!

I wish now that I had disced it first to loosen it because my peas did not cover very well... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

The cultipacker assured soil/seed contact but I'm going to need good rains to keep the pea seed from germinating and then dying. The seed is much better off covered at least an inch so that the tiny seed/roots don't dry out before they grow deep enough.

I'll keep you posted on progress (thankfully we got a nice rain this morning and more is possible)

You can see the sprouting peas here...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Sproutingpeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Morepeas.jpg

The straw mulch helps keep the soil from drying out

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/PeasinMulch.jpg

The oats were no problem at all and are sprouting very nicely thru the mulch

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatsthrumulch.jpg

I added a few brassicas in some areas and they are also coming up very well so we'll just keep en eye on this plot and see how it does.

Hopefully some of you that have been anxiously awaiting rain also got "wet" this morning... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[risto2351]

Dbl.
Only a quarter of an inch here.
My brassicas might not make it this year with no more rain in the forecast for awhile.

As far as the cereal grains they should be alright but still need more rain.

[doublerack]

.95" at our farm. Heading up tomorrow to see how everything is doing. My father in law said the Rye is coming in great but the Peas were about the same as Dbl's. Hopefully that good soaking helps out. I wish we could get about an inch one day a week until mid Oct.

[dbltree]

Even though I barely "knocked" down the spring oats, peas and weeds and the ground was dry and hard...everything came up fine!

This pic shows oats, peas, red clover and brassicas coming up.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Comingthrumulch.jpg

I'm always "testing" something...so this is a mid August planting to see if the field peas will produce "peas" before cold weather or if they indeed need to be planted in July.

I also wanted to test planting dates for oats (when is too early) so I have now have oats planted Aug 1st, Aug 15th and Sept 1st.

I spread some left over brassica seed in some areas to test not only planting dates but the viability of mixing with other competitive crops.

These pics are from mid to late September...

FieldPeas 9-21-08

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Fieldpeas9-21.jpg

This shows the height of the oats and peas and you can see that 8-15 planted oats are getting "up there"...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatpeamixheight.jpg

The ground is covered with straw and previously I showed pics of the peas on top of the ground yet sprouting, so the straw/weed mulch did it's job and held moisture and keep the seeds alive.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatpeamix5.jpg

At this point nothing is really "out competing" the other but the brassicas are small and for maximum forage should be planted weeks earlier.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatpeamix4.jpg

The peas don't show up well but are roughly the same height as the oats and unlike this spring, deer are feeding heavily on the peas...go figure?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatpeamix3.jpg

Regardless if they have time to produce "dry peas" the oat pea combo is a lush attractive food plot that is garnering plenty of attention... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas9-21.jpg

A close look shows the oats and peas have been "nipped" plenty. BTW...these are nannyslayers forage oats that matured and I re-tilled them under again... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peaoatmix.jpg

I put up an exclusion cage just to see what an ungrazed portion will look like.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Oatpeacage.jpg

Peas like cooler weather and after a beautiful September with temps right around 80 degrees it's finally cooling off into the 60's and 40's at night.

Perfect for peas but deer may forage on them to heavily to allow them to set peas...time will tell, so I'll keep you posted. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[huntdoc]

How different are Field peas from Austrian winter peas? Look very similar to me, could be the same for all I know! I can't deer to eat the AWP.

[dbltree]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How different are Field peas from Austrian winter peas? Look very similar to me, could be the same for all I know! I can't get deer to eat the AWP. </div></div>

There isn't a whole lot of difference...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Field Pea (Pisum sativum L.), a native of Southwest Asia, was among the first crops cultivated by man. Wild field pea can still be found in Afghanistan, Iran and Ethiopia

Austrian Winter Pea (Pisum sativum spp arvense) is a fall-seeded pea introduced from Austria to the Pacific Northwest in the 1930s. </div></div>

AWP's have been mostly used for forage while field peas are used for the harvest of dried peas. The object of the field peas is for deer to eat the dry peas late in the season rather then forage on the plant early on.

Look at even a common garden pea however...they still look like peas!

I wish I could find something they didn't like....until late fall, wouldn't that be sweet!

The peas do fare better then soybeans early on and I will say that the AWP's I planted in the spring got mowed as they came up and the fieldpeas did not...something different there. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dbltree]

I checked the field peas a while back and it doesn't look to me like they will flower and make peas, in part because unlike this spring they are being grazed hard.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/10-16Peas.jpg

Either way the combination of oats and peas made for a lot of attractive forage!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/10-16Peapatch.jpg

It's hard to tell by this pic but the peas inside the cage were much higher and were climbing up the wire! I didn't put the cage up until mid September so it isn't a true reflection of possible growth.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/10-16PeaCage.jpg

I had tossed some brassica seed into some of it and you can see in this pic that is is also being grazed hard.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/GrazedBrassicanpeas.jpg

Remember this "pea patch" was planted in mid August even though ISU reccomends planting field peas in southern Iowa in late July.

I wish I would have put up an exclusion cage at the start to see if intensive grazing prevented flowering...or time?

This spring they scarecely touched them opting instead for the soybeans, but with the beans gone they quickly "adapted" to the new peas.

In the end, pea pods or not, field peas certainly have a place in our food plot rotations. Considering the high cost of nitrogen and seed for other crops, field peas area lost cost alternative that can add nitrogen and provide a highly palatable food source comaparable to alfalfa.

I used no fertilizer and no herbicides on this plot other then a small test area that I top dressed later. I would reccomend bringing P&K levels up and correcting PH levels before planting but we want to do that with any type of food plot.

Field peas are sown at 100-120#'s per acre and oats at the same rate so your looking at $60-80 per acre for seed. Compare that to the cost of planting corn for instance which could easily run more then $200 an acre now days.

It dropped down to 23-25 degrees Oct 28th so I'll be curious to see how well they tolerated the hard freeze and how long they are a viable draw.

Broadcasting field rye into the peas in early September would insure season long use also.

I'll check them in mid November and see what they look like then... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[doublerack]

Our peas are covered with purpole blossoms right now.
Still.. hard to tell if they are being browsed or not.

[180class]

purpole huh? That's a strange color. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

[dbltree]

My summer seeded field peas did not fare so well as the spring peas, simply because deer started feedung heavily on them. I't odd that they barely touched them in the spring but in the summer/fall period they killed them?

Go figure? /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

They also could not stand the extreme cold as we have repeatedly had temps dropping to 12-14 degrees at night which did the peas in.

My object however was not to have "forage" peas but rather dry "field" peas as one would have with dried down soybeans. The dried peas become very attractive to deer in late fall.

No real "loser" here however because the oat/pea combo certainly was a major attraction all fall! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

They were planted 8-15-08 which is pretty early for fall oats and perhaps a month late for the peas, still they are hammering the forage oats from nannyslayer.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/OatsnPeas11-21planted8-15.jpg

The peas however are now wilted and "kaput"... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Wiltedpea.jpg

I had added a few brassicas to the mix and they have wiped them out as well.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Grazedinpeapatch.jpg

One thing I noticed from my spring plantings with the peas side by side with the soybeans, is that they are very compatiable.

There are herbicides that can be used on both, post emergence (such as Select grass herbicide)so that may be a possible test next year.

Nannyslayer has a new seed line that includes a forage soybean and forage pea combo.

Forage Soybean and Forage Pea (http://www.brierridgeplotseed.com/ProductGuide/Deer/ECMD010343.aspx)

Seems like there are endless possibles for me to "test"....dang the luck anyhow.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

[SaskGuy]

I think you'd have been PLEASANTLY surprised how hard they hit them if they'd have had a chance to make peas and then mature.

[dbltree]

Originally Posted By: Saskguy
I think you'd have been PLEASANTLY surprised how hard they hit them if they'd have had a chance to make peas and then mature.




I'm going to keep working on it but I need to work on the right planting dates that will allow time to flower.

Our growing season is so much longer then yours that I don't think spring planting will work, although I may try it again.

I'll try an early July planting next year and see what happens. This is a qoute ftom some SE Iowa growers who have been growing it for hog feed.



Iowa State University (ISU) Extension Crop Specialist Jim Fawcett and ISU Extension Swine Specialist Tom Miller are currently studying the economic feasibility of growing field peas in southeast Iowa.

“We are trying to double-crop peas after a crop of wheat,” Miller explains. “We harvest the wheat crop around July 1, then come in and plant field peas.”

If all goes as planned, the peas should be done flowering by the end of September and be ripe before a killing frost. Miller believes the growing season is normally long enough, but weather conditions conspired against him in 2004.

“We didn't get them planted until the end of July, and then we were further slowed down by August temperatures that were 6.5 degrees below normal,” Miller adds. “They ended up getting nipped by an early killing frost Oct. 2. We chalked the year up to experience, but feel we could have raised decent peas if we could have gotten them in earlier.”






I tried to wait until mid August and it just wasn't enough time especially when coupled with the heavy grazing.



Field peas are normally assigned a crude protein value of 23.4%. However, protein content can range from 15.5% to 39.7%, depending on the variety.



Peas are very digestable while soybeans are not unless processed so it's no wonder deer love them up your way.

[bowhuntr311]

So Dbltree? Whats your plan with peas this year?

It would appear after reading all of the thread that they "dry down" on their own regardless of frost, just after maturity?
The reason I ask, is Im thinking my growing season may be just a bit too long? Im worried planting early May and killing frost in late Sept, may be too long? What do you think? Ive pretty much ruled out a summer planting, due to temps and moisture issues. I read where Karre said they cant be too mature, but Im thinking they are going to be dead by october.

Thanks

[dbltree]

Whats your plan with peas this year?

I'm going to plant some in July this year but your right, they will dry down just like soybeans.

Planting peas for forage and planting them for "grain" is two different things and require different planting timing.

I'm shooting for dry peas that will be on dead dry plants in the fall but I will also plant forage peas in late August with field rye.

The key with field peas is to plant so they will flower during cool weather and late May may be fine in your area?


dry peas are spring-seeded; optimal planting dates range
from mid-March to mid-May when soil temperatures are above 40 degrees F (4 degrees C). In most years, delayed planting lowers quality and seed yield. Dry peas are adapted to grow during the cool season when evapo-transpiration is minimal.

[chokepoint]

I was surprised to see some fields here tonight with peas in them. I have never seen them before. The farms here are diary farms so I assume them are for cattle feed. I don't know how they use them, whether as silage or what. The fields are near a busy highway. They are knee high and I saw no pods just flowers.

How will deer react to peas? Will they hit them harder than soybeans which are here as well?

[dbltree]

I was surprised to see some fields here tonight with peas in them. I have never seen them before. The farms here are diary farms so I assume them are for cattle feed. I don't know how they use them, whether as silage or what. The fields are near a busy highway. They are knee high and I saw no pods just flowers.

How will deer react to peas? Will they hit them harder than soybeans which are here as well?

Generally deer will feed on young growing peas just like soybeans and then when they mature, they'll feed on the dried peas just like dried soybeans.

Many dairymen harvest the pea plants in the form of silage or bale it for hay.

Here in Iowa, the best bet is to plant field peas in mid July so that they will flower during cool fall weather. The peas will eventually dry down and deer will feed on those during hunting season.

Austrian Winter Peas are often used for forage and grazing and those are better off planted in late August with rye and oats. Deer will lap them up like candy but severe cold weather will kill them whereas the field peas can continue to feed into the late season via the dried peas.

Field peas are often double cropped behind wheat as soon as it has been combined and that time frame is fast approaching so I'll be planting mine soon. ;)

[chokepoint]

Generally deer will feed on young growing peas just like soybeans and then when they mature, they'll feed on the dried peas just like dried soybeans.

Many dairymen harvest the pea plants in the form of silage or bale it for hay.



Thanks for the info. Any idea how much the cost per acre for peas is?

[dbltree]

Thanks for the info. Any idea how much the cost per acre for peas is?

Sow at roughly 100-120#'s per acre alone, or slightly less with some oats added so about $45 an acre for seed.

4010 Field peas (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=228)

Fertilizer requirements are minimal

Field Pea Fertility Requirements (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/procrop/pea/fertil05.htm)



Nitrogen

Nitrogen fertilizer generally not required
Peas are an efficient N-fixing legume
Do inoculate seed with proper Rhizobia strain
Inoculant cost of $1.00 to $3.00/acre
Peas are very sensitive to fertilizer salts. Use up to 40 lb/acre of 11-52-0 (MAP), but not DAP or any other fertilizer with the seed.
Avoid high N fields or N fertilizer rates because of reduced N fixation, and delay pod set and maturity.
Cool/dry conditions can slow or even prevent nodulation.
Soil at time of seeding should have 20-30 pounds of N in top 12 inches

PROPER INOCULATION OF LEGUMES

Use the proper rhizobial strain
Iinoculants are sensitive to heat
Always store inoculants in cool areas
After inocculum application, plant within 3-4 days. If seed is treated with bacteriacides, fungicides, plant immediately.
Most seed treatments are toxic to inoculum
Use a "sticker" to bind inoculant to seed a diluted milk or sugar water solution is common
There are many other types and self-sticking inoculants
Some stickers provide nutrients to rhizobia

Other Nutrients:

Adequate phosphorus (P) availability important
If soil test equals medium level
* add 15 to 20 lbs/acre P<SUB>2</SUB>O<SUB>5
</SUB>A starter of 15 lbs suggested by some (2X2 placement except in pea and lentil)

Sulfur
* high yield potential, add 15 lb/acre of SO<SUB>4 </SUB>to lower testing soils.
Zinc
Peas are not sensitive to Zinc

[dangibbs1]

Is 2,4 D able to be used on field peas or will it kill them. I know select will work on the grasses, just wondering about broadleaves.
I am close to you lickcreek and am thinking about planting 2 acres in fieldpeas this year. Do you still think the middle of July is the time to plant?

[dangibbs1]

One more thing I was planning on planting them by themselves. We will have plenty of grains, beans, clover and other things nearby.

[dbltree]

Is 2,4 D able to be used on field peas or will it kill them. I know select will work on the grasses, just wondering about broadleaves.
I am close to you lickcreek and am thinking about planting 2 acres in fieldpeas this year. Do you still think the middle of July is the time to plant?

2-4D will KILL peas!! Don't not use 2-4D on any broadleaf!

Select(clethodim) is safe to kill all grases in just about any broadleaf plant.

I am going to plant my field peas today or tomorow (I expect my seed to arrive sometime today)

Don't forget to inoculate the pea seed and even though peas are legumes some starte nitrogen is reccomended if the soil is poor.

I'm going to use 200#'s of triple 13 on my peas

You don't need to add any other seeds although Ilike to add oats to help shade out broadleave weeds and give the peas something to climb on. :)

[dbltree]

I planted my peas on July 9th 2009 and the soil was barely dry enough to plant! I sowed the peas quite heavily at upwards of 120#'s per acre and then some. I also fertilized and included some urea despite the fact peas are legumes just to make sure there was enough N in the soil to get them off to a quick start.

I planted LC6040 peas known more for forage then dry pea production LC6040 versus Trapper peas (http://www.lftseed.com/forage_ref_man_files/15%20Specialty%20Forages/silobusterpo.pdf)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/LC6040peas.jpg

and 4010 peas from Welter Seed also commonly used with oats to make silage for dairy cattle. 4010 Pea Source (http://www.welterseed.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=228)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/4010Peas.jpg

I inoculated the seed with pea and vetch inoculate from Welters

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peainoculate.jpg

Make sure you keep the inoculate cool as heat will kill it! I use a small insulated cooler with some ice pacs in it.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Insulatedinoculate.jpg

The peas look like this

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peaseed.jpg

I also take a little water and moisten the seed to get the inoculate to stick leaving my hands looking like this...:D

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Mixinginoculate.jpg

Peas need to be planted 1-3" deep with deeper being better then shallower, so some places i ran the cultipacker over it first to allow the broadcasted seed to fall into the "furrows"

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasincultipackfurrow.jpg

I added oats to most of it at 50#'s per acre, to both provide forage and stalks for the vining peas to grow on.

If your not using a drill or broadcast spreader, take a long a "dippin cup" to fill your bag seeder...;)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Dippincup.jpg

You can see the oat seed but the peas are nearly impossible to see as they are "dirt" colored.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/PeanOatseed.jpg

I fertilized with 200#'s or 6-28-28 and about 50#'s of urea

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/6-28-28.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/46-0-0urea.jpg

I then tilled the seed and fertilizer in to roughly an inch or two depth and pulled the cultipacker behind to cover and firm soil.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Packin.jpg

Peas require 60 days to bloom and 100 days to mature the dry seed so planting the first part of July should be enough time before our first avegrage frosts in mid October here in SE Iowa.

Peas need to bloom during cool weather so the timing should be perfect by mid September.

As with may food plots, all kinds of things can happen including being decimated by deer or extreme drought but so far in past years the peas have been able to withstand heavy grazing far better then soybeans.

Spring planted peas that are plowed down green for the next crop can fix 130-200#'s of free nitrogen and can be planted in late March to early April for that purpose.

The 4010 peas were only $21 for 50#'s so at a 100#'s per acre, costs are roughly the same as soybean seed, but they can fix nearly 5 times as much N per acre!!

I planted some peas alone, some with no fertilizer and planted 6 different plots adjacent to strips of alfalfa, clover and soybeans and in a few weeks brassicas.

Stay tuned...:)

Albert Lea Seed - Pea seed source (http://www.alseed.com/__files/organic_farm_catalog.pdf)

[risto2351]

Dbl.

I was planning on planting some oats with forage peas around the latter part of
August. Is this to late?

[dbltree]

Dbl.

I was planning on planting some oats with forage peas around the latter part of
August. Is this to late?

For forage no, that's the proper time to plant...this planting is for peas, dried peas just like dried soybeans.

They will certainly forage on the peas just exactly like soybeans but if all goes well they will end up with dried peas to feed on well into the late season, time will tell if they make it that long.

I will also include forage peas in with my cereal grain plantings in late August, which will be like candy in October...;)

[dangibbs1]

Any updates on your peas. I am just a few miles from you and planted mine yesterday. Just curious what your's are looking like.

[dbltree]

Any updates on your peas. I am just a few miles from you and planted mine yesterday. Just curious what your's are looking like.

I know this may come as a suprise but...just so happens I had a camera with me yesterday...;):D

Exactly 2 weeks old and looking good!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeas7-23-09.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/7-23-09FieldPeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/7-23-09FieldPeasandOats.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/PeanOatCombo.jpg

So far deer have only nibbled at a few here and there (unlike my soybeans which they have murdered!)

The peas are good color and growing well so far!:way:

[dangibbs1]

Would it be possible to do a soybeans in spring of one year then a soilbuilder seed in the following spring and then peas in the end of July. It would seem that the peas are similar to beans and don't know about rotating one to the other each year. Any thoughts on this?

[dbltree]

Would it be possible to do a soybeans in spring of one year then a soilbuilder seed in the following spring and then peas in the end of July. It would seem that the peas are similar to beans and don't know about rotating one to the other each year. Any thoughts on this?

I'm not aware of any disease or pest issues that would cause a problem with planting these to crops back to back. Because they are legumes a crop of buckwheat could be planted in late spring (late May to early June) that could then be tilled under for a July planting of field peas.

Great idea!:way:

[Baranx4]

Is 2-4db safe on field peas? It lists just about every legume but the label doesn't mention field peas.

[nannyslayer]

Is 2-4db safe on field peas? It lists just about every legume but the label doesn't mention field peas.


Pea's are pretty sensitvie, so I would avoid it.

24D B has the effect to burn alot of legumes, and with the pea's being so sensitive to herbicides, I wouldn't try it.

[Baranx4]

Pea's are pretty sensitvie, so I would avoid it.

24D B has the effect to burn alot of legumes, and with the pea's being so sensitive to herbicides, I wouldn't try it.


Thanks, I was thinking of doing a soybean and field peas mixed plot this coming weekend and some brassicas elseware. This year has been so wet here that early plantings never happened and those that did locally aren't growing since it's been so cool and wet with almost all the fertilizer put down has been washed away. On top of that there was a very late frost locally that killed most of the blossums so there's little apples if any apples. We have an orchard that's been wipped out with about 95% of the trees not having any fruit. It's almost August and we have't had a single day above 87 degrees.

[nannyslayer]

There are plenty of things you can spray on a pea/bean mix.

You can use Synchrony, which is a broadleaf killer that is comonly used in conventional beans, and if can remember right, pea's were on the label as well.

Put it this way, I sprayed my beans last year with Synchrony, there just so happen to be some pea's in there with them, and they didn't die. :grin:

http://www2.dupont.com/Production_Agriculture/en_US/label_msds_info/labels/H65609.pdf

[nannyslayer]

Authority is also a great product, that you would spray before you plant the pea's or beans. It is one of the best products that I have found if you want to try a one pass program, and not come back with anything. Select may be needed to help control grasses later on, but broadleaves will probably be kept at bay.

http://www.nufarm.ca/CA/Authority480?printView=true

Sencor can be used as well on soybeans and pea's. This is another herbicide that is comonly used in conventional beans/peas.

http://www.bayercropscience.ca/English/LabelMSDS/205/File.ashx

Here is another that can be used on convetional beans preplant.

http://www.valent.com/agriculture/products/valorxlt/index.cfm

[dbltree]

Thanks for the great herbicide information Brian...looks like I need to update the herbicide thread...:way:

I will say that I always include oats and that pretty much controls the weeds but pure planting of peas one would sure want some weed control...;)

[nannyslayer]

Thanks for the great herbicide information Brian...looks like I need to update the herbicide thread...:way:

I will say that I always include oats and that pretty much controls the weeds but pure planting of peas one would sure want some weed control...;)


No problem. I would certainly recomend what you do if you are looking for a cheaper alternative. Oats really surpress weed pressure. But if someone is looking to do the bean and Pea mix, those herbicides are great, and your beans and peas are not competing with the oats for nutrients and moisture.

[dbltree]

Could one also use Treflan pre-emergence? I believe that it is safe for both beans and peas if I read the label right and it's not very expensive.

Treflan™ EC herbicide is a pre-emergent herbicide that is incorporated into the soil to provide long-lasting control of many annual grasses and broadleaved weeds. Treflan herbicide controls susceptible weeds by killing seedlings as they germinate; however, it does not control established weeds.

Treflan EC (http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/msds/trifluralin.pamphlet.treflan.e.c.pdf)



TREFLAN E.C. HERBICIDE FOR USE IN PRAIRIE PROVINCES
GENERAL INFORMATION FOR OILSEED AND SPECIAL CROPS - PRAIRIE PROVINCES



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canola

triazine tolerant canola

mustard
flax (summer and fall application only)
dry common beans (white or kidney)
black beans
soybeans
faba beans (horsebeans)
peas (field and canning)
lentils (fall only)
sunflowers
safflower
alfalfa establishment (flax and canola cover crops only)










</TD><TD height=205 vAlign=top width="50%">crambe

sainfoin

sweet clover (spring only)

vegetables (see special instructions)
strawberries (spring application only)
asparagus - established 3 years
transplanted shelterbelts
Saskatoon berries
forage legumes








•seedling alsike clover
•red clover
•cicer milkvetch
•bird’s-foot trefoil







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[nannyslayer]

Could one also use Treflan pre-emergence? I believe that it is safe for both beans and peas if I read the label right and it's not very expensive.


I'm sure that one would not have any problems that way either.

[dangibbs1]

I'm ready for my weekly update on your peas Paul. My peas are about 2 weeks behind yours and am wondering where yours are at. I am out of state but my buddy did say they are out of the ground and looking good. Have the deer been staying off yours?

[dbltree]

I'm ready for my weekly update on your peas Paul. My peas are about 2 weeks behind yours and am wondering where yours are at. I am out of state but my buddy did say they are out of the ground and looking good. Have the deer been staying off yours?

I'll check em Tuesday and post pics...;)

[dbltree]

My peas have been in the ground nearly a month now and I found that some areas where deer are used to grazing, they are hammering the peas and oats pretty hard.

I had to look close to even see the peas in this heavily grazed plot!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/08-06PeasnOats.jpg

They are hitting the peas and oats hard!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Grazedoatsandpeas.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Grazedpeas.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/GrazedPeas2.jpg

Other plots that were slightly off their usual "path of destruction" looked much better!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Growingpeas.jpg

The peas have put on pretty decent growth there

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Lushpeagrowth.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Peagrowth.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Fieldpeas8-6-09.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/8-6-09OatsnPeas.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/dbltree2000/Peas/Betterpeagrowth.jpg

I will probaly overseed winter rye into all the pea stands to have lush new growth by hunting season because the oats will be too mature by then. Just like soybeans, the peas may or may not be allowed to mature and produce peas?

That remains to be seen so I'm looking forward to pics from others who have plantings with less intensive grazing pressure....;)

[MBBobby]

I am watching this thread as well for updates. I am planning to do some testing with them next year in Manitoba.

[nannyslayer]

If anyone is interested, I am going to be planting some Iron Clay pea's next year to see if I can get more yield for late season food with them. My dad has been planting them for years back home (southern MO) and they do have a very high yield potential.

Here is a link where you can look at seeding rates, and optimum planting dates.
http://www.wildlifeseeds.com/info/ironclay.html

[dbltree]

If anyone is interested, I am going to be planting some Iron Clay pea's next year to see if I can get more yield for late season food with them. My dad has been planting them for years back home (southern MO) and they do have a very high yield potential.

Here is a link where you can look at seeding rates, and optimum planting dates.
http://www.wildlifeseeds.com/info/ironclay.html

Count me in Brian...I'll try anything once! :D

I would just note here that IC peas aren't actually peas at all but "beans" and they do look much like a soybean but if they'll keep ahead of my deer I'm all for it!

[nannyslayer]

Count me in Brian...I'll try anything once! :D

I would just note here that IC peas aren't actually peas at all but "beans" and they do look much like a soybean but if they'll keep ahead of my deer I'm all for it!


I guess I should have mentioned that as well. They are cow beans or known down south as "hay beans". :grin:

[tlambert]

We decided to try out some 4010 Field Peas in the sandy WI soil up by my dad's place. We threw 50lbs out in a spot a bit under a 1/2 acre that we had alongside and alfalfa test plot from last fall. We planted about 3 or 4 wks ago but they've been having very dry weather up there until the last week and a half. Pretty much zero moisture in July up there!
Here's a pic of test plots for the peas and the alfalfa. My dad pulled a smooth one and had ryegrass in this area last fall....gonna have to spray it next spring cuz it keeps coming back. I told him to make sure he bought field rye...kids huh! I figure it'll give the peas something to climb as they're already latching on to it. You guys think that'll be alright or should it be killed?

Here's the peas
http://iowawhitetail.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=169&pictureid=1720

And the alfalfa...and grass. The alfalfa just came back to this stage in the last week and a half after some rain up there. It was completely ate/burned up and you couldn't find any out there.
http://iowawhitetail.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=169&pictureid=1721

[tlambert]

Notice the Oak "Split 3" killin tree in the background!

[dbltree]

ryegrass in this area

The ryegrass is going to go to seed and continue to plague you so I suspect your going to want to kill it with clethodim while you can.

The ryegrass will only suck up nutrients and moisture needed by the peas and alfalfa and serve no purpose this fall.

That's my thoughts but not saying you will have a failure if you don't either...;)

[LoessHillsArcher]

That tree is setup nicely Travis, trimmed and ready to rock it looks!

[dbltree]

Updat on my early Jult planted field/forage peas that include both 4010 and 6040 peas.

Some areas they have all but demolished them but some "off the beaten path" plots are holding their own!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peagrowth8-19.jpg

No flowering yet which is good because they will be more productive if they flower in cool weather during September.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasandoats8-19.jpg

A closeup reveals some grazing pressure that no doubt is holding back growth. Notice the pea tendrils wrapping around the oat leaves.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Grazedpeas8-19.jpg

These peas are planted in strips in a tree planting and heavily fertilized and blessed with plenty of rain, so they lack nothing.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/ForagePeas8-19.jpg

They are the closest I have gotten to having a decent crop of peas that will dry down and have peas for late fall attractant...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/peagrowthintreeplanting.jpg

Have a long ways to go yet so time will tell if the will indeed survive but they are hitting the brassicas hard and will have a new winter rye/oat/pea planting to forage on soon so perhaps they will indeed make it!

One of the main plots got murdered and both peas and oats took a hit and the whole thing is a mass of foxtail that I'm going to kill with Clethodim 2-EC tomorrow. The foxtail is chest high so it is now protecting the peas somewhat so we'll see what happens after I spray.

The oats are meant to provide a nurse crop for the peas and something for them to climb on but when deer mow the oats to the ground...it doesn't work so well...:rolleyes::D

[tlambert]

Hopefully our peas up in WI are looking that good after the rains....awesome plots dbltree

[Skully]

Nice work Paul! I have logged into my notes to try the oats/peas in next years line-up!:way:

[bowhuntr311]

Awesome. When the peas flower do they become any less desireable that you know of? And what sort of actual "yield" do you expect to get, if any?

[dbltree]

Awesome. When the peas flower do they become any less desireable that you know of? And what sort of actual "yield" do you expect to get, if any?

They are still pretty palatable while flowering and setting pods but eventually, just like soys, they will dry down and they wil go after the dried peas rather then the foliage.

Some of the links at the beginning of this thread will give you an idea of commercial expected yields....:)

[dbltree]

Some of the peas are starting to flower now which is perfect timing since we are supposed to get cooler temps after rain this week.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeaflowering8-21.jpg

Peas need to flower in cool weather in order to set pods so a hot september would not be helpful ;)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Floweringfieldpea8-21.jpg

I noticed that not only are they killing my brassicas but now are starting to notice my "off the beaten path" pea patchs...:(

You can see the tops are all eaten off from these peas
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeasgrazedhard.jpg

You can also see that the oats planted with them will be of no use by fall as they are fast maturing although still providing a support to the climbing peas
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeas8-21.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Heavypeagrowth8-21.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Foragepeas8-21.jpg

One of the main plots they hammered to death...both oats and peas which allowed the foxtail to explode!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Foxtailinpeas.jpg

I nuked it with clethodim (Select 2-EC) and crop oil the other day because the foxtail has actually been protecting the peas!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Select2EC.jpg

I expect the deer will finish off the peas as soon as the foxtail "melts" away but we'll see...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Oatsfoxtailnpeas.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasbeforesprayingwithclethodim.jpg

Interesting that where I planted peas in a previous brassica plot the foxtail was not nearly as thick or tall perhaps due to the allelopathic chemicals in the brassicas?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasafterbrassicas.jpg

Some places the peas are pale white, missing something but I'm not sure what? No previous herbicide use, plenty of fertilizer so I'm going to soil test in those areas and determine if something is missing or what the deal is.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Whitepeas.jpg

I'm going to be comparing these forage/field peas to austrian winter peas in my fall plantings because AWP's are twice as expensive yet deer seem to be liking the field peas realll well....;)

[dangibbs1]

My field peas are also beginning to turn a pale yellow in parts of my plot. Some are green as can be. I don't know what to make of it. How tall are your peas? Mine are about 10 inches but was wondering how tall they will get.

[dbltree]

My field peas are also beginning to turn a pale yellow in parts of my plot. Some are green as can be. I don't know what to make of it. How tall are your peas? Mine are about 10 inches but was wondering how tall they will get.

Some are knee high perhaps but as you can see deer are starting to knock them back pretty good so hard to say how high they might have gotten?

I should have put up an exclusion cage...:rolleyes:

[nannyslayer]

Paul, I would say where the pea's are white, that is compacted soil. Or it also looks like there could be a Dual or similar product carry over there.

[dbltree]

Paul, I would say where the pea's are white, that is compacted soil. Or it also looks like there could be a Dual or similar product carry over there.

Well...they are planted on soil that hasn't been worked in 30 years so doesn't seem like compaction would be an issue?

No Dual...no herbicides of any kinds...not even Roundup?

I fertilized heavily including some nitrogen because peas 20-30#'s to get started despite being legumes.

Perhaps some micro element is missing?? I'll see what soil test show...;)

[nannyslayer]

Interesting. I really don't think it will be any type of micro nutrient, most deficencies show up in the leaf, not the whole plant.

Only reason I said compaction, is, this year we had alot of sidewall compaction this year, which is compaction on damp soils when planted. There are alot of soybeans that look like that. Due to the wet soils this year, where they are compacted, oxygen could not get in the soil to "air" it out, and in turn cause the plant not to metabilize properly.

I'll print that picture off and show it to our forage guy and see what he thinks.

[dbltree]

Interesting. I really don't think it will be any type of micro nutrient, most deficencies show up in the leaf, not the whole plant.

Only reason I said compaction, is, this year we had alot of sidewall compaction this year, which is compaction on damp soils when planted. There are alot of soybeans that look like that. Due to the wet soils this year, where they are compacted, oxygen could not get in the soil to "air" it out, and in turn cause the plant not to metabilize properly.

I'll print that picture off and show it to our forage guy and see what he thinks.

Ok...so your thinking surface compaction rather then subsoil type problems?

All I can say is that it has rained non-stop here in SE Iowa since April, so that is a very real possibilty. It's not everywhere but obviously there are some low areas and wet spots so maybe that's it?

Thanks for your insight Brian...you see more of such problems in one summer then all the rest of us would in a lifetime! ;)

[nannyslayer]

I also had another interesting thought. SDS or Sudden death sendrome is bad this year due to all the wet weather. I wonder if pea's could suffer the same thing? With the smaller plot, you are going to see it on a smaller scale.

Hmmmmm. I think I'm putting to much thought into it. :grin:

[nannyslayer]

Look at this link Paul. My forage guy just sent it to me. It has everything you need to know about Forage pea's. Disease's, Bleaching (which I now believe that you have), fertilizer rates, chemical choices, I mean everything.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/drypea.html

"Pea mosaic, a viral disease, induces severe stunting and mottling of leaves with streaks of yellowing on the stems. Early infection causes the plant to die. Crop rotation is recommended for control"

[turkeyriver]

I've planted a lot of peas and oats over the years to chop for cattle feed. The peas definately don't like wet feet. I've seen that yellowing of the plants before, always when we get lots of rain. That's why they grow them in Canada and also why oats do so much better up there. They don't usually get the heavy rains we do.

[dbltree]

I've planted a lot of peas and oats over the years to chop for cattle feed. The peas definately don't like wet feet. I've seen that yellowing of the plants before, always when we get lots of rain. That's why they grow them in Canada and also why oats do so much better up there. They don't usually get the heavy rains we do.
Look at this link Paul. My forage guy just sent it to me. It has everything you need to know about Forage pea's. Disease's, Bleaching (which I now believe that you have), fertilizer rates, chemical choices, I mean everything.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/drypea.html

"Pea mosaic, a viral disease, induces severe stunting and mottling of leaves with streaks of yellowing on the stems. Early infection causes the plant to die. Crop rotation is recommended for control"


Thanks for the great information guys!!

[dbltree]

Couple of my field pea plots got completely wiped out including the oats but some that were a little off the beaten track are still doing well.

Flowering...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasstillflowering.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peaflowers.jpg

and setting pods

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeapods9-17.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/peapods.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/SDC12867.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Pods9-17-09.jpg

Some places they are very heavy and thick (for my heavily grazed plots)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Thickpeagrowth.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Heavypeas.jpg

but someplaces deer have mowed them pretty hard

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Pathinpeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Thinareasinpeas.jpg

They were really knocking the tops off of some of them

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Grazedpeas.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Nippedpeas.jpg

but new fresh winter rye and baby peas have taken some of the pressure off

Where the oats had a chance to grow the peas really climb up the stems

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/peasgrowingonoats.jpg

and they make a nice combination

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Peasandoats.jpg

The thin areas I over seeded with winter rye just as we would with standing soybeans so we'll see how that turns out later this fall.

Where the oats and peas were able to grow, weeds were not much of a problem but where deer hammered them hard I ended up with a sea of foxtail.

One would have to weigh the potential for weed problems against the the advantages of planting with oats to decide which might work best for you...;)

[letemgrow]

They sure look just like the sugar snap peas I am so fond of :D

[bowhuntr311]

They sure look just like the sugar snap peas I am so fond of :D


Exactly what i was thinking.

[dbltree]

Field pea report from pics taken 10-13-09...despite being planted right beside lush new pea growth and winter rye, they are still mowing the pea growth that was planted back in July!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeas2.jpg

They are starting to turn white and I suspect will dry down soon

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeas10-13.jpg

with hunting seasn in full swing and the rut approaching I will not be checking on these often

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Peas/Fieldpeas1.jpg

Some pods were fully developed and filled so i will be checking later on to see if they ate the dried peas or just ate up the whole doggone plant!:eek::D
No matter I guess...the whole idea is to feed and attract whitetails and the field peas seem to be doing a pretty good job of both...:way:

[Baranx4]

How did the field peas do for drawing in deer during hunting season after they dried down? Just looking for an update as it's been awhile.

[dbltree]

How did the field peas do for drawing in deer during hunting season after they dried down? Just looking for an update as it's been awhile.

Unfortunately they decided to eat mine before they got to that point so I cannot say for certain. I simply cannot plant enough to keep them from being decimated before hunting season, not unlike soybeans.

From a forage standpoint I did notice that when I compared Austrian Winter Peas with Forage field peas the field peas came out on top! The AWP's are supposed to be winter hardy but it turns out the field peas are more winter hardy!

Here are some field peas planted with rye in September...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Cereal%20Grains/RyenPeagrowth30days-1.jpg

and after being grazed heavily all fall and winter and being exposed to a week of temps down to minus 13...what is left of them is still green!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Cereal%20Grains/1-19-10WT6.jpg

the AWP's however are kaput

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/dbltree/Cereal%20Grains/1-19-10WR5.jpg

Not a big deal at this point but since the field peas are 1/2 the price I see no reason to plant AWP's...;)

[waylonb19]

Would a 50lb bag of field peas stay good for a yr on the shelf? I am going to be planting a new 1.5 acre plot in white clover this spring and was thinking of discing half of it under this early fall and plant peas. BUT if I get a really good stand of clover I might just leave it all in clover for the yr and do the half field peas the following fall. Reason I am asking if the seed would stay good is because I am getting ready to order my clover seed and thought I would order my Pea seed as well to save on some shipping even if I don't use it this fall?

[dbltree]

Would a 50lb bag of field peas stay good for a yr on the shelf? I am going to be planting a new 1.5 acre plot in white clover this spring and was thinking of discing half of it under this early fall and plant peas. BUT if I get a really good stand of clover I might just leave it all in clover for the yr and do the half field peas the following fall. Reason I am asking if the seed would stay good is because I am getting ready to order my clover seed and thought I would order my Pea seed as well to save on some shipping even if I don't use it this fall?

Germination may begin to drop by then, perhaps to 80% or so but otherwise it will keep if kept dry. :)

[bowhuntr311]

So Ive got enough AWP seed for a 1/2acre and a 1/2 plot that was brassicas last year.

My day time temps are up in the 60s and 70s but nights are still in the mid 30s (last night we had 28)

When should I plant these. Let the ground get a little warmer or not? I still need to till it yet as well.

[dbltree]

You can plant peas anytime now...they are very cold tolerant! :)

[waylonb19]

Anyone know if you can plant Peas with a planter using soybean plates?

[dbltree]

Anyone know if you can plant Peas with a planter using soybean plates?

I haven't tried it but I see no reason why it wouldn't work...;)

[huntdoc]

Are there any Round-up Ready varieties?

[dbltree]

Are there any Round-up Ready varieties?

Not that I am aware of but there are herbicides that can be used such as Dual II Magnum pre-emergence or clethodim to kill grasses post emergence...;)

[waylonb19]

I found a place that sells 6040 Field peas locally. Is this the same as a 4010 field pea?

[letemgrow]

Peas and soybeans sure sound like an interesting combo!! Going to give that a try next spring and still be able to put in a fall plot by broadcasting when the soybeans dry up...if I can get them in in time next year ;)

[dbltree]

I found a place that sells 6040 Field peas locally. Is this the same as a 4010 field pea?

I have planted both and both are great peas!

Peas and soybeans sure sound like an interesting combo!!

Why not? Sounds like a great combination!:way:

[letemgrow]

Why not? Sounds like a great combination!:way:

Going to use some sunflowers this fall to take the browsing pressure off the pea mixture I will be planted too. For sure will post pics if it helps or not. :drink2:

[buckhunter31]

Can i still plant peas in the next two weeks or is it to late? If I can do i need to plant anything with it? Do I plant the 4010 forage peas?

[nannyslayer]

Not that I am aware of but there are herbicides that can be used such as Dual II Magnum pre-emergence or clethodim to kill grasses post emergence...;)


Don't forget Cadet for broadleaves! :):grin:

[dbltree]

Can i still plant peas in the next two weeks or is it to late? If I can do i need to plant anything with it? Do I plant the 4010 forage peas?


Right now should be fine to plant peas and 4010 or 6040 will all work fine. You can add oats for the peas to climb but if you have a foxtail outbreak you may have to kill the oast with clethodim in order to kill the foxtail.

Don't forget Cadet for broadleaves! :):grin:

Cadet is safe on peas too Brian??

[nannyslayer]

Cadet is safe on peas too Brian??


Only thing I can tell you is that it didn't kill my pea's when sprayed on them. ;) But no, they are not labeled.

[dbltree]

Only thing I can tell you is that it didn't kill my pea's when sprayed on them. ;) But no, they are not labeled.

Cool!! Thanks much Brian!!:way:

[risto2351]

As far as the peas go I usually plant them with my rye, clover, oats, radishes.
I will not be doing them until late August or labor day.

Should I be planting the peas with something else earlier?

[dbltree]

As far as the peas go I usually plant them with my rye, clover, oats, radishes.
I will not be doing them until late August or labor day.

Should I be planting the peas with something else earlier?

I think your best off doing it the way you have been Tony but you can plant field peas in early July for the actual pea production. That can work well but like soybeans deer tend to mow them off if not protected so unless you can fence it's easier just to plant them in the fall for forage only...;)

[Rauk42]

My question is when should I plant my peas? I want them for bowhunting in october/november and also for late season?

[dbltree]

My question is when should I plant my peas? I want them for bowhunting in october/november and also for late season?

If you want hard dry peas then plant in early July, if you want green forage then plant with rye in late August...;)

[KSQ2]

Dbltree, would this work for me next year? Plant berseem clover as early as possible in the spring. Followed by oats/field peas/brassicas the first of Aug? I was thinking by planting later, I wouldn't have to overseed anything and the oats would still be a mid-season draw. Our first frost arrives annually around the 2nd of November. Would this allow enough time for the peas to mature?
If this would work, it'd save us a ton of $$. I'd put on some potash and phosphorus each spring and let the rye and clover do their thing. I'd seriously consider doing this year after year in one of our 1.5 acre plots.

[Sligh1]

KSQ2- I'm doing that same thing right now. I planted oats, Berseem & Crimson clover about 3 weeks ago. I'll keep in in great shape all summer & deer will have a nice treat and come to the location because there will almost always be food there from year to year AND all year long (not just in August) - Dbltree talked me into this and very smart, glad I listened! I did hit it heavy with P&K & pell-lime (400 lbs of each in my example).... By August I'll be able to disk it under, add some MORE Nitrogen and plant my turnips, radishes & winter rye. I know the clover will fix Nitrogen BUT I'll add a little for good measure (not as much as if I was planting on non-clover area) - the Phosphorous for turnips & radishes should be excellent already & PH great- N will be in great shape so they'll grow like crazy in my example with the turnips & radishes. Maybe do some Peas too in another location. you'll in great shape if weather cooperates, you fertilize properly and plant at obvious/appropriate time.

[dbltree]

Plant berseem clover as early as possible in the spring.

YES...add oats with the berseem

Followed by oats/field peas/brassicas the first of Aug?

Too early for oats...they will mature and become unattractive and I am unsure of your comment "oats/field peas/brassicas" because those three definitely do NOT mix at that time of year.
Plant brassicas separately in mid summer and plant oats with peas only if you are aware they will not be attractive in the fall.

I was thinking by planting later, I wouldn't have to overseed anything and the oats would still be a mid-season draw.

Oats will only be attractive if planted in early September in your area.


Our first frost arrives annually around the 2nd of November. Would this allow enough time for the peas to mature?

Possibly...Ok...here are the problems I have encountered planting "field peas" for dry pea production...

1) Deer murder them just like little soybeans leaving nothing by hunting season

2) Weed control is difficult unless you are prepared to purchase several herbicides compatible with peas.

A far better, easier to work with combination is rye/oats/forage peas/forage radish/red clover planted in late August though early September.

Zero weed problems, lush irresistible forage, deer cannot destroy it, the forage peas are like candy, the forage radishes do not compete with the cereals planted at this time, the red clover provides feed all the following summer.

You may encounter different problems with field peas then I did but I can only make you aware of the potential for a frustrating and ineffective food plot....;)

[KSQ2]

Thanks for the info fellas! Dbltree, our growing season is quite different from yours. I'm in extreme SE Kansas. Last year we planted brassicas on the 15th of Aug. and they turned out incredible. Literally, two feet tall in most places and turnips the size of softballs; granted, the local gardeners said we had a banner fall for turnips with the right rainfall at the right times.
With your advice, and keeping in mind the difference in growing season, how does this combination sound? Plant forage peas, winter rye, red clover, ground hog radishes, and purple tops the second week in Aug.? Is that too early for rye?
One more thing, should I frost seed some more red clover into the plot the following spring?

[dbltree]

Plant forage peas, winter rye, red clover, ground hog radishes, and purple tops the second week in Aug.? Is that too early for rye?

Yes...wayyyy to early in your area, in your area mid September would be better probably but at least early September.

I strongly advise against planting turnips with cereal grains, divide you plots and plant brassicas separately. The PTT's and cereals will compete with each other and one or the other will suffer.

If you sow red clover with the fall rye combination you should not need to frost seed any additional seed..;)

[KSQ2]

Sounds good. Should I wait to plant the peas with the rye? Will that be too late for the peas?
Also, the plot this year is in beans and corn (got 60 lbs. of free corn, so I thought I'd better us it), so I won't be able to do the red clover this fall. Should I wait and plant berseem next spring? Or, knock down the corn stalks and frost seed red clover late winter?

[dbltree]

Sounds good. Should I wait to plant the peas with the rye? Will that be too late for the peas?
Also, the plot this year is in beans and corn (got 60 lbs. of free corn, so I thought I'd better us it), so I won't be able to do the red clover this fall. Should I wait and plant berseem next spring? Or, knock down the corn stalks and frost seed red clover late winter?

I think you'll be happier planting peas with rye for forage and you can frost seed red clover into the corn stalks to get a jump on things in the spring...;)

[KSQ2]

Thanks Dbltree!:way:

[thwack13]

After discing up about 3/4 acre of a 2 acre foodplot I have decided to go with a strip of rape/radish and the rest winter rye/winter peas. I am putting in the rape/radish 2moro and would like to do it all at once but is it too early for the rye and peas? Also how deep do the peas need to be planted, never messed with them before. Keep in mind I am just south of STL. Thanks

[dbltree]

is it too early for the rye and peas?

Yes...too early! Late August through early September is the right timing, planting now would allow the rye to get to tall and stemmy and unattractive to deer...;)