Nontypical

[Thefrgt10]

Does anyone know if there is a certain number of abnormal points, or a certain amount of inches of abnormal points that you need to have on a rack for it to be non-typical. Or if there is any other way that it is classified as a non-typical. I was just curious, because the big sheds that me and my dad found have a few abnormalities to it but i dont think it has enough to be consiedered non-typical.

Good luck to yall
Numba1

[Youngbuck]

numba1hunta,
Let's say you shoot a deer with a bow and it has 8 typical points with 2 non-typical points that total let's say 5 inches. So you would score the typical frame. then find the gross score .since you shot it with your bow the minimum score for the books is 125 net typical, and yours GROSSES 134. you would find the net score (after deductions) then also subtract the 5 inches of non-typical points for a net typical score. the score ends up being 126 4/8. So you would probably want to enter it for a typical.now let's say your deer had 20 inches of non-typical growth. then you could take the 134 gross just subtract the differences from side to side then ADD the non-typical points to the score. Then you would have a non-typical book deer. So simply put there is no minimum nuber of non-typical you must have. It just maters does it score better as a typical or non-typical. Some deer it could be entered in either.
Hope this helps and isn't to confusing.

[deerslayer22788]

I agree with “youngbuck” on this one, mostly,

On the other hand I've always heard that a deer (full rack) has to have at least 15 inches of Non-Typical points before it can be entered into the Books as a Non-Typical. Anything less they go as deductions against your typical score. I think this sounds right but I'm not positive, has anyone else heard of this way of scoring?

Just my assumption if I understood the person right.

Deerslayer

[Youngbuck]

Deerslayer22788,
I have neverheard this rule but i can see it being true.

[BuckHusker]

I am not sure about B&C, but P&Y use to be the 15" rule,however they changed about 3 or 4 years ago. It is now only 1" of abnormal to qualify for NT, but the min. is higher, 125 for typical 155 (I think) for NT. If it can go either way, it is the hunters choice. I just think as to P&Y there is too great a spread between the two. I have seen a number of 140+ NT's that don't make it, and as a typ. they drop down to under 125. Now tell me which would you rather shoot, a nice clean 125 5x5, or one say that as 130 with 10" of abnormal? That would make a 140 NT or a 120 Typ.
No doubt it my mind which I would go for given the luxury of haveing the choice.

[deerslayer22788]

I think the person that was scoring the buck was a certified B&C & P&Y scorer and the buck I watched him score was going under the B&C books. I'm almost positive that this is true with B&C 15" required but not certain. I'm trying to remember because this was 4-5 months ago and I remember the Owner of the mount and the scorer bickering over if it was a Non-Typical or not. It had 2 sticker and I thought the scorer replied that it had to have at least a total of 15" of Non-Typical points to be classified as a Non-Typical. Anyways, I know this buck couldn't be a P&Y because the guy had too much let-off on his bow for it to go under the P&Y books. I'm still not 100% sure but I'll check on-line to see if I can't find this rule anywhere.

Deerslayer


[This message has been edited by deerslayer22788 (edited 03-21-2002).]

[dc240nt]

As an official measurer for several books and many state record books, I will put this arguement to rest. B&C and P&Y now have the "one inch rule" in effect. This means that a rack only need one inch of non-typical point to quailify as a non-typical, if it has this then the decision is upto the hunter as to what catagory he wants it listed. The 15 inch rule was in effect uptill about 5/6 years ago. As a general rule, if a buck has 12 1/2 inches of non-typical, it will rank higher in that listing then it would as a typical. The opposite for typicals, less then 12 1/2 inches. The shed club also has the one inch rule.There are many many measurers out there who are very inactive and as a result have not been updated to any rules changes. Common base points, burr points, inside/outside points are a couple examples where an update is in order. As with most things out there, check into your measerer also, make sure they are up on ALL rules changes. If you don't, you are only hurting yourself and maybe setting yourself up for dissapointment when it does get scored right.

[deerslayer22788]

Thank you so much for clearing that up for us!

deerslayer22788

I saw your pictures and your sheds are awesome. I think you buck could be scored either way. I looks like it is very symmetrical and wouldn't lose much for deductions. From the picture I see at least 1 non typical point on the left antler and I couldn't tell from the right one but if it is similar I'd say you're best of scoring it as a tyical because your deductions wouldn't be that great and your gross score will be high. I think you've got some "booner" sheds there. Good Job!

[Thefrgt10]

On the left antler it has that fork with obviously 2 points on it. both points are about 1 inch or 1 1/2 inch. and on the right antler there are 2 points that are coming out by each other. One is coming out in the normal fashion and the other is coming out kind of to the side and both of those points are about 3 inches or so. And one of the browtines have a split in it but its probably only about 1/2 inch long. If I was to score this deer nontypical it would score 172 and some odd inches i dont remember and if i was to score it typical it would only be around 156 and something but either way its an awesome set and me and my dad are proud to own them.

Good luck every
Numba1

Numba1, don't forget that you're not including an inside spread on those sheds. If you throw in a modest 18 inch inside spread your sheds quickly become awfully large, good job and yes they are worth being proud of.

[Thefrgt10]

Hey Saskguy,

When we scored the deer we did the 18 inch inside spread and came up with the 172 and 1/4 inches or so. We have a few skulls from decent sized deer laying around and figured out the there is aproximately 3 inches or so between the antlers. So I held them up at a bout 3 inches apart and from doing that we got 20 inches inside. But you know you could never know for sure where the antlers will be set at so thats just a guess. But well find out next year after I shoot this monster with my bow.

Good luck all
Numba1

[This message has been edited by numba1hunta (edited 03-26-2002).]

It'll be fun looking for him next year. It's great to add some fuel to the passion of being in the woods next year. I know that evrytime I hear a twig crack I'll be hoping for the deer who dropped the 95 point single I picked up. It's great finding out what bucks live in your hunting areas isn't it!

[Thefrgt10]

It dont get any better. The best part about it is that the area Im hunting isnt that big. And if we found the sheds from him in there I know thats his core area. So of course you never know how the season will go but I think Ive got a real good chance of at least seeing him next year. Wish me luck.

Numba1

[Buckhunter]

I'll wish ya luck partner but it's going to take all the stealth you can muster to harvest this OL'MONARK,he did not get that big by making mistake's.Mess up once shame on you,mess up again and you may not see him again!