Party Hunting ML Season

[ElkHunter]

This bill would allow party hunting in late ML season. You may contact Mr. Arnold using information below if you desire to do so.

H.F. 2142 Sponsored by Richard Arnold
Legislative Email: richard.arnold@legis.state.ia.us
Home Phone: 641.535.6313


Section 1. Section 483A.8, subsection 2, Code Supplement 1 2011, is amended to read as follows: 2 2. a. The A deer hunting license shall be accompanied by a tag designed to be used only once. When a deer is taken, the deer shall be tagged and the tag shall be dated. The tag shall be attached to the carcass of a deer taken within fifteen minutes of the time the deer carcass is located after being taken, or before the carcass is moved to be transported by any means from the place where the deer was taken, whichever occurs first. For each antlered deer taken, the tag shall be affixed to the deer’s antlers. During regular gun seasons and the late muzzleloader season, the bag limit for a hunting party is one deer for each hunter in the party who has a valid transportation tag. The possession limit is one deer per license. For purposes of this paragraph, “hunting party” means two or more persons who each have a deer hunting license and tag, and who are hunting together. For purposes of this paragraph, “possession” means that the deer is in the possession of the person whose license number matches the number of the transportation tag on the carcass of the deer.


EXPLANATION
This bill provides that during regular gun and the late muzzleloader deer hunting seasons, the daily bag limit for a hunting party is one deer for each hunter in the party who has a valid transportation tag. The possession limit is one deer per deer hunting license and the deer must be in the possession of the person whose license number matches the number of the transportation tag on the carcass of the deer. Currently, the natural resource commission’s administrative rules only allow such bag limits for hunting parties during regular gun deer hunting seasons. During all other seasons, the deer must be shot and tagged only by the person in whose name the license and tag was issued. For purposes of the bill, a “hunting party” is two or more persons who each have a deer

[dedgeez]

So is it true that Mr Arnold proposed this because he is in his last term and likes to party hunt so he figured he would try to get this passed?

I'm not really worried about this going through. There is no way this will get the backing it needs to pass. We were discussing this last night, and it is my opinion that some of these bills get thrown together just so these people can look like they are doing something. Most of them are so poorly written and have so many loopholes that they couldn't be passed due to insufficient wording or clarity. I understand the history and tradition of party hunting, but I think it has run it's course and I would hate to see it carried over to other seasons. Thanks for posting Randy.

[LYON]

Whether this gets passed or not I doubt it would make a whole lot of difference. Many of the people who late muzzy hunt aren't out just to fill their tags. Most of the late muzzy guys I know are waiting most of the season to put the hammer down on a big buck and will eventually take a doe towards the end of the season. This doesn't cover ALL muzzy hunters, but I believe this bill won't make a difference for how the majority of guys hunt this season.

[mplane72]

I have to think that this is geared to please some NRLO's.

[ironwood]

i have to think that this is geared to please some nrlo's.


well it certainly would have that effect!

[ElkHunter]

HF 2142 Party Hunting in Late ML Season
The three gentlemen below will decide if this piece of legislation will come out of subcommittee. All responses and comments I received were very negative to this legislation. Please contact them and let them know your feelings.


Richard D. Arnold (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=91) (R, District 72 (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-72.pdf)) Richard is from Russell – Lucas Co.
richard.arnold@legis.state.ia.us (richard.arnold@legis.state.ia.us)
John Wittneben (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10785) (D, District 7 (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-07.pdf)) John is from Estherville- Emmet Co.
John.Wittneben@legis.state.ia.us (John.Wittneben@legis.state.ia.us)
James Van Engelenhoven (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=95) (R, District 71 (http://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-71.pdf)) James is from Pella- Marion Co.
jim.van.engelenhoven@legis.state.ia.us (jim.van.engelenhoven@legis.state.ia.us)

[Hardwood11]

I have to think that this is geared to please some NRLO's.

Explain how that would benefit NRLO? I do not think you can buy a NR doe tag for muzzleloader, so the NR would have a buck tag anyway, or am I missing something?

[ElkHunter]

Here's a comment from an individual that I repect very much and listen to closely when he has something to say.

As far as the late ML season is concerned, if party hunting gets passed then we should just make 3 shotgun seasons – hunters choice. We really won’t need a ML season. Is this what everyone wants?

[Cooter]

Explain how that would benefit NRLO? I do not think you can buy a NR doe tag for muzzleloader, so the NR would have a buck tag anyway, or am I missing something?

Because if there is leftover doe tags can't NR buy them for late muzzy?

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[Fishbonker]

Notice of Subcommittee Meeting

Bill: HF 2142

Committee: Natural Resources (House)

Bill Title: A bill for an act relating to bag limits during regular gun and late muzzleloader deer hunting seasons.

Members: Arnold-CH, Van Engelenhoven, Wittneben

Date: Tuesday 2/7/2012 3:30 PM

Location: Room 19

Agenda:
Discussion of HF 2142.

Representative Richard D. Arnold, Chair

Does it strike anybody odd that the Chairman of the subcommittee is also the sponsor of the bill? This one might grow some legs.

[mplane72]

Hardwood, I just looked at the NR guidelines on the DNR's web site and I believe you are correct. My Bad.

[Hardwood11]

Hardwood, I just looked at the NR guidelines on the DNR's web site and I believe you are correct. My Bad.

No I actually wasn't sure, I suppose a NR could party hunt and then shoot (2) bucks? Either way I am not a party hunting fan, I guess it is fine for shotgun hunting, but it is an old traditional rule that probably will not go away.

[ironwood]

Explain how that would benefit NRLO? I do not think you can buy a NR doe tag for muzzleloader, so the NR would have a buck tag anyway, or am I missing something?

I was just checking and you are correct.

I think the suggestion that they just go with three shotgun seasons is great! If that is what you all want. Effectively the same thing.

Better yet lets make the ML season a true primitive weapns season and mandate open sites as many states have done. I personally think this style of season change make much more sence.

[ironwood]

I am clearly a little sloooooooooooooooow. :)

[gunrunr]

Muzzleloaders are a legal weapon to carry during either Shotgun 1 or Shotgun 2. Anyone wanting to party hunt with a muzzleloader can do it then. No need to start a third party season.

[ElkHunter]

Make a call or send an email before 3:00 today if you think ML party hunting is a bad idea. Stop it before it goes to full House Natural Resource Committee

[ElkHunter]

2142 made it out of sub committee. Our lobbyist & DNR made their case against it.
One of the committee members stated that the bowhunters declared against this bill and could see no reason for them to oppose.
We now have to get to the complete House Resource Committee. If your rep is on the committee he/she needs to hear from you.

Just make it very clear you are ML hunter and that you wait all year for the late season.

· Henry V. Rayhons (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=16) (R, District 11 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-11.pdf)), Chair
· Jeff Smith (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10784) (R, District 6 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-06.pdf)), Vice Chair
· Curtis Hanson (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10340) (D, District 90 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-90.pdf)), Ranking Member
· Richard D. Arnold (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=91) (R, District 72 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-72.pdf))
· Clel Baudler (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=78) (R, District 58 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-58.pdf))
· Joel Fry (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10806) (R, District 95 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-95.pdf))
· Mary Gaskill (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=255) (D, District 93 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-93.pdf))
· Bob Hager (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10789) (R, District 16 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-16.pdf))
· Chris Hall (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10783) (D, District 2 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-02.pdf))
· Dan Kelley (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10796) (D, District 41 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-41.pdf))
· Mark Lofgren (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10803) (R, District 80 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-80.pdf))
· Steven F. Lukan (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=195) (R, District 32 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-32.pdf))
· Jim Lykam (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=246) (D, District 85 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-85.pdf))
· Helen Miller (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=219) (D, District 49 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-49.pdf))
· Dan Rasmussen (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=299) (R, District 23 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-23.pdf))
· Sharon S. Steckman (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=7499) (D, District 13 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-13.pdf))
· Annette Sweeney (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=7504) (R, District 44 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-44.pdf))
· Phyllis Thede (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=7496) (D, District 81 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-81.pdf))
· James Van Engelenhoven (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=95) (R, District 71 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-71.pdf))
· Guy Vander Linden (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10808) (R, District 75 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-75.pdf))
· John Wittneben (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Legislators/legislator.aspx?GA=84&PID=10785) (D, District 7 (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/DOCS/DistrictMaps/2003/House/h-07.pdf))

[gunrunr]

I can't think of one good reason to pass this bill. Can anyone fill me in on one?

[Cooter]

I can't think of one good reason to pass this bill. Can anyone fill me in on one?

Boost the sales of muzzle loaders???????

I emailed Mark of district 80 that this bill is not needed. Hope others do the same.

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[Sligh1]

Why folks keep throwing bad-management laws & new regulations into our once great system- I just don't know?!?!?? We have (or for some- "had") top notch hunting and it's ridiculous how much we need to fight to just try and keep it good or how we need to fight to keep it from going down the tubes. It just boggles the mind. Late antlerless, gov tags, party hunting late ml- it never ends. It sucks that theres threats at every angle and every spring. I really do worry about our future and worry folks to going to destroy what's one of the best states out there. Obviously IBA fights for some of this but I'm really worried about our constant threats and worried we could lose what Iowa is or once was- gone for good once some of these drastic changes gets put into effect. No going back on many of these examples and a few bad decisions could easily b the end. Not all are the End and I am not trying to b debbie-downer but a few come to mind that spell out the end of Iowa and some would argue theres a few things now that have been the demise of their area. With 5% timber and far fewer deer than most states- we have a very fragile and delicate system & ecology. Fragile system with too many folks who r continuing to b more reckless w/ laws and regs each yr.

[gunrunr]

This would be a great time to throw out a plug to join the IBA. As a newly elected Board member of the IBA I am learning a ton of what the IBA does that I did not know. They are on the pulse of all these new laws and I have been reading and sending dozens of emails daily with fellow board members as well as our representatives. We have to fight daily just to keep what we have here from being destroyed.

Joining is easy and you really can make a difference. Go to http://www.iowabowhunters.org/joiniba.htm - you can even use paypal. Post up if you have joined or renewed to the IBA and if you have made your calls or emails to your representatives to express your thoughts on the bills at hand.

[Sligh1]

This would be a great time to throw out a plug to join the IBA. As a newly elected Board member of the IBA I am learning a ton of what the IBA does that I did not know. They are on the pulse of all these new laws and I have been reading and sending dozens of emails daily with fellow board members as well as our representatives. We have to fight daily just to keep what we have here from being destroyed.

Joining is easy and you really can make a difference. Go to http://www.iowabowhunters.org/joiniba.htm - you can even use paypal. Post up if you have joined or renewed to the IBA and if you have made your calls or emails to your representatives to express your thoughts on the bills at hand.
Read above! Agree!

[ElkHunter]

I heard this excuse for passage yesterday also. Everyone in southern Ia. is doing it already.(I heard that from my 3 girls 30 yrs ago,but Dad everybody doing it. Yep everybody but you 3)
Two thoughts
1. It's illegal
2. Not everybody is doing it

[teeroy]

email sent!!!

[teeroy]

my response


Troy-
Senator Dearden and I are talking about having an interim study committee to investigate all of the deer seasons and out of state licenses this summer. Like you said, there is a lot of overlap – the DNR has tried to give everybody and their brother their own special season and it’s getting too complicated. We will see if we are privileged to serve on that commission if we have one.
stay in touch and stay safe,
Clel

[showstopper]

What's going to happen is people are going to get shot by "coyote" hunters who have 3rd season shotgun tags.... errr late muzzle loader tags. This is a terrible idea and is only going to allow more opportunities for non-ethical hunting to take place. The part that sucks is people who spend money to improve habitat and provide food for the deer on their farm will essentially have no season to hunt where someone who wants to be a d-bag can't jack up a hunt. I am working to improve the farm I grew up on, learning to appreciate the sport and it sucks knowing that if this passes I will likely have hunts jacked up by the style of hunting that takes place around the farm. Ruins my plans of establishing a place where I can take my boys when they get old enough to hunt without having to worry about other hunters since few hunters in the area currently hunt late muzzleloader season.

When is there a gun season where every hunter is required to hunt with consequence of being tagged out when you blast the first buck you see? Last time I checked everyone that only has one buck tag makes sure that they are shooting something they are proud of before pulling the trigger. THIS is part of what has made this state the attractive choice of hunters around the nation. If you want to shoot the hell out of deer, go to the southern states and do it. Everyone knows why people want to come here and it's not for the camaraderie of doing deer drives in zero degree weather.

Hopefully I made all valid points without being too selfish but that is how I feel about this season.

[Scott]

This would be a great time to throw out a plug to join the IBA. As a newly elected Board member of the IBA I am learning a ton of what the IBA does that I did not know. They are on the pulse of all these new laws and I have been reading and sending dozens of emails daily with fellow board members as well as our representatives. We have to fight daily just to keep what we have here from being destroyed.

Joining is easy and you really can make a difference. Go to http://www.iowabowhunters.org/joiniba.htm - you can even use paypal. Post up if you have joined or renewed to the IBA and if you have made your calls or emails to your representatives to express your thoughts on the bills at hand.

Just rejoined, I think I let my membership go overdue but I was still getting all the emails. Figured I should stop free loading. Also sent out about a dozen emails to those folks listed.

[Cooter]

Here is the response I got. He seems to be on the fence so if you don't want this passed email him.

Joshua,

I appreciate you writing me about your views of the bill. As the bill moves through committee, I will be keeping your thoughts in mind. It was just assigned to a subcommittee in the Natural Resources committee and will need to pass that before the full committee can even consider the bill. Thanks again for your email.


Mark S. Lofgren
State Representative – District 80
563-272-8683


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[gunrunr]

Still have yet to hear one good reason to pass this bill or any positive outcome of it - all I hear from everyone is negative connotations. Why is it still alive? What do they know that we don't?

[sureshot]

Still have yet to hear one good reason to pass this bill or any positive outcome of it - all I hear from everyone is negative connotations. Why is it still alive? What do they know that we don't?

I'm wondering the same thing!

[mkjruh]

Is everybody more upset because it would allow party hunting using other peoples tags? Or that more people would group hunt?

[Cooter]

For me its filling other peoples tags. Its abused during the shotgun seasons already. We don't need more loopholes.

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[River Ratt]

The filling someone eleses tag...

[mplane72]

I don't like it because..........

1. The groups will split up who buys buck tags for the shotgun seasons and, if this passes, the muzzle loader season. I'm sure this happens now, illegally of course.
2. More wife's and non-hunting family members will have muzzy tags then ever before.

Both of these had up to more pressure on mature deer and really all the deer.

I don't get a muzzy tag unless I filled my archery tag before the break. I don't know if there will be more driving of deer during muzzy if you can party hunt it but I expect it. The deer are twitchy enough after shotgun as it is. I do like hunting with my muzz and besides the limited early season it is the only time to really hunt with a gun in relative peace. That will change when groups are working to fill their last buck tags.

As it sits right now if you want to party hunt there are two seasons to do it. IMO that is enough.

[Jethro]

Is everybody more upset because it would allow party hunting using other peoples tags? Or that more people would group hunt?

Yes to both.

mplane72 you pretty much hit it on the head. I agree.

[mkjruh]

I agree with all of that I was just wondering because I didn't know if it would be that much different because a lot of people already group hunt ml season now. I agree a lot of tags get abused too much now also

[Bowtech84]

Hope it doesnt pass, that would be one more thing for everyone to complain about next year. Cant take any focus off the late antlerless season. Which by the way, over 2 weeks since that season closed and alot of deer are still holding there head gear.:D