Poll - NR increase

As you all might already know the Iowa DNR has Proposed Legislation To Significantly Increase Non-Resident Deer and Turkey Licenses
Quotas - which has implications for Your Hunting in the future.

The DNR has requesting this because they need to make up Revenue $$$ shortfalls.

Please let us know how you feel about this issue!

Please be sure to vote!

[DOR]

accidently picked 3 should have been 4. hope this keeips the poll % accurate?? and sceintific http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smashcomp.gif

[muddy]

since there's more than one person out there who's almost as ignorant as i am i will go ahead and ask the obvious question...

what are the consequences of a NR incresase to us residents??

[DOR]

increased leasing by outfitters( more tags available=increased clientel sp??=more cash to lease more land). MIght not be a huge problem fo someone who owns 400 acres but for teh average joe, not good. also, more pressure which = more nocturnal /disturbed deer, simply put more competition for the same amount of land and deer. Most of us non-res dont want to shoot a doe at 350$ a pop. Trophys only is the norm. I'll take my chances wtih draw and the deer herd is it is now. Maintain quality I say.

[River1]

Muddy,

Iowa is one of the premier destinations for trophy whitetail. People generally look at Iowa as they do Arizona for elk, Alaska for moose, etc. An increase in NR tags will create a commercialized hunting environment here. Outfitting services tend to lease large tracts of ground for their business, which effectively displaces resident hunters. Their clients do not have a doe harvest high on their priority so herd management can get out of control in these areas. The hunts that these outfitters offer tend to be expensive and typically this will keep a person of less financial means from hunting our prime areas.

You will also see an increase in out of state land owners as they buy recreational property for hunting. In many instances this drives up realestate prices beyond what Iowa residents can afford. I have spoke to farmers who are upset that prices are driven up by recreational use and now they can't afford to purchase land and still make a profit off of it. You know crop prices don't increase with land values.

With competition for hunting land, leasing will become common, not only by NR's and outfitters but also by residents. Residents will have no good choice other than leasing in order to garauntee themselves a decent place to hunt. Look at Texas and most of the other Southern states where you can't hunt a good area unless you open your wallet!

Iowa only has timber on approx. 1/3 of it's total land. Where the timber is, is where you find most all of our deer herds. It won't take long for prime areas to be tied up.

Iowa has an extremely small amount public hunting ground, in comparison to other states where hunting is popular. Where will the people who can't afford to hunt go?

Illinois is headed down this path as we speak. Residents in certain areas (specifically Pike county) have experienced this first hand.

By the way JACKSON county is considered a prime area!

Make no mistakes, trophy hunting is huge business. Look at how the DNR raised our NR tag fees and we still sell them out!

Anyhow, I'm sure I missed some points as this is a complex issue, but what I've mentioned above I am certain of and it is enough for me not to want any more NR allocation.

I don't want people to get the feeling from this post that I don't like NR's, because that is not true. I just feel our state should continue with it's management as in the past. It is the reason we have what we have, and that makes it a great place to hunt for residents and non residents alike.

http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/893soapbox-thumb[1].gif Ok I'll get down.

[Shedhuntermd]

Hey River, Hate to say it, but you hit it on the head. I live in Maryland and used to dream of pike county, now I dream Iowa. There are a lot of people that will pay to play and can afford it, like people in Maryland. I can understand living out there and seeing all theses picture of monster bucks and getting used to it, but try to see it from our angle 75% of 1 1/2 year old bucks are killed here and we don’t have near the crop land or the potential that you have. I let 19 bucks go last year, I would be surprised if 2 survived, but that’s all I have to go on, I can just hope one survived to get a shot at next year. A 2 1/2 year old is a monster here ( 110") So maybe you can see why I/we want to hunt Iowa just on the hopes of getting a buck of a life time.


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[Critter]

Colorado is a prime example of why too many hunters equals piss poor hunting opportunities for the average hunter. A-lot of Colorado can be hunted without sending in for a tag, just drive out and buy one over the counter. Along the way you'll probably get more sneers and rude looks from residents of Colorado than a PETA member would at a hunting rally, and who could blame them. Every year they are invaded by hords of out-a-staters that take advantage of the deer and elk hunting in the state. They trespass on private property, tear up the roads and trails on public land, poach animals, and then leave their trash behind for someone else to pick up. The unfortunate resident hunters that can't afford the huge trespass fee's, or don't know someone with private property, are stuck to hunt with the thousands of non-resident hunters that come every year. I know all this, because I've seen it myself. More available NR tags only mean bad things to come, and if you don't believe me just ask the Iowa farmer that would much rather lease his land for 1500 dollars a hunter, than he would let you hunt on it for free, and who could blame him.
CRITR

[muddy]

huh, learn something every day, thanks guys.

[ElkHunter]

Can't say any plainer or clearer than River. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/157RAtinybuck-thumb[1].gif

[River1]

CRITRGITR,

Just think of the thousands upon thousands of acres of federal ground public hunting Colorado has. At least Colorado has a somewhat decent way to absorb it's hunters. Iowa has not even a drop in the bucket compared to that.

[Rackaddict]

Question for the Adminitrators. Why is it that everytime I try to vote on a poll I get this message, ("We already have a vote for this poll from this IP address") when I have never voted? Do I have my settings wrong or have I been bannished! http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bawling.gif

[Critter]

River,
Good point, so then where do we think these 12000 NR hunters are going to hunt at?
CRITR

[duckaholic]

Critter, If I had to guess I would say Albia!!!!! I have an idea, maybe we should do what the Indians did by helping the pilgrims harvest crops and help the other states with their deer herd so they don't have to hunt in Iowa. No offense NR hunters.

[lxshooter]

Rack I get the same thing when I try to vote. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud.gif

[Rackaddict]

Well, at least I'm not alone. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kickass.gif

[Don K]

Stick to your guns people and keep your cap where its at. Here in Illinois they are trying to get a higher cap also and im against it. I would much rather have a quailty hunt every couple years than have to deal with every "tom", "[censored]" and "harry" around every corner. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggun.gif

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Don

[OneCam]

Rack & LX shooter - I'm not exactly sure of the problem but I am making some updates to the software tonight and tomorrow night. Hopefully this will fix this isolated issue. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smashcomp.gif

[Benny]

I have bowhunted in Iowa twice. I have also bowhunted in Kansas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Alabama and Michigan over the past 7 years.

In my opinion the main reason you have a qaulity hunting experience is as follows.

1. You have a late gun season when compared to most states. Simply put, you are not hunting bucks during the peak of the rut. In addition, shotguns are the predominant firearm in Iowa.

2. You have very few hunters when compared to these other states. A good example is Wisconsin. WI has more bowhunters then total number of deer hunters in Iowa. 3. For the areas I hunt in the NE part of the state the number of roads/square mile is much lower when compared to similiar coulee country in SEMN, SWWI etc. This limits access and it is harder to hit all the good whitetail habitat unless your willing to work hard. Most guys will not get more than .5 miles of any given road. 4. In general, at least during bow season I have found very limited pressure from residents. The majority of people I see in NE Iowa bowhunting are actually non-residents. The residents that I do see are either trout fishing or squirell hunting.

5. Lastly you have limited the number of non-residents which prevents widespread tropgy hunting, game leases, reserves etc.

I also hunted Kansas this year and Kansas meets every criteria that I have decribed about Iowa. Both states are probably the two top states in the nation for Whitetail Hunting.

So I say keep her the way it is. Later

[Maggs]

Benny, Curious what county(s) you hunt? Reason I ask is it seems like every farm in Jackson County has at least one bowhunter on it. Are you talking WAY Northeast? Maggs

[5465]

voted against it! not fair to residents. hell i have a hard time put up with residents over here in ohio. we have an abundance of city slickers from ohio and a bunch of outta state people around where i hunt! i think that it is great that they hunt but they usually turn out to be the most unsafe people in the world, because it's the only time of the year they spend in the woods. don't get me wrong i would let all of you come and hunt on my property because ya'll seem safe and the most important thing is all of you seem very ethical. i can't believe i am disagreeing with this when i am trying to find some hunting property in iowa michigan and wisconsin. http://www.iowawhitetail.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wstupid.gif

[Benny]

I have hunted Zone 9 twice which is extreme NE portion of Iowa, basically bluff country. I really cannot comment on other area of Iowa. I would expect if you are hunting areas with limited whitetail habitat the pressire could be higher for both residents and non-residents alike, especially the closer you are to a larger community like Des Moines, Waterloo, Dubuque etc.

My comparision is mainly geared toward the bluff country of NE Iowa because that it were I have hunted in Iowa. I have hunted identical habitat in SEMN and SWWI and the number of hunters and the quality of the hunting experience are totally different. In my home state you can find comprable hunting in some counties in Bluff Country such as Buffalo County. It is idneitical to NE Iowa, but unless your rich (pay $20-30/acre) for a hunting lease your not going to get access. Just to get access to an 80 acre parcel will cost you $1600-2400/year. The majority of the leases are bought up from guides or outfitters and they charge clients to hunt them or people from larger cities such as Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago and the Twin Cities by leases for there hunting group.

Another good example of the quality of Iowa is when I was driving back from my Kansas Hunt. I went through Iowa in the middle of the day on the Interstate and saw more shooter bucks in 4 hours of driving at 70mph along the interstate than I saw in WI the last two years combined hunting and driving.

Bottom line is that what you have now is top of the line and I hope politics and revenue shortfalls do not alter the current situation.

Take Care