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Baiting question

Daver

Daver

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I have a new wrinkle this year...I found a new ladder stand right on my property line this weekend AND a game cam right next to it pointing over a corn pile. I have a good stand that I do not want to give up about 30 yards away. Some of the corn was actually on my property, but most was just a few feet away on the neighbors land.

I don't know whose stand it is right now, but did their bait pile impact where I can hunt my own property legally? If that is now a "bait site"...if so, how far into my ground does that extend?
 
I'm not sure and can't answer your question but have always wondered the same thing. Will look forward to the answer!
 
You should call Matt Rush and get his opinion and also make him aware of the pile of corn. I am sure he would be interested in looking at it. I would say that you are out of luck for that stand site because there is nothing in the regulations about property lines. If deer movements are altered because of a pile of bait then it doesn't matter on whose property it is on or as I understand how far away it might be. Just call Matt or the other new guy, can't remember his name, but they can advise you better than most any of us here and they would be the ones who would be writing the tickets.
 
Any chance they're just baiting it for the pics now and will get it out of there by the time season starts?? That'd be my guess...otherwise they surely wouldn't have been stupid enough to put a stand over it :thrwrck:

NWBuck
 
As long as its just corn and not salt that will stay in the soil, it shouldnt be a problem as long as the corn is gone when the season starts, otherwise, i would think you are grandfathered in. On the same concept i wonder how it impacts a person during gun season if someone decides to build a house thats within 200yds of a stand
 
Don't think it's considered illegal baiting until the season comes in and your hunting over it. Not sure how many days it has to be pulled before hunting the area but it's in the regs. If it's there come the start of the season the warden would be interested I'm sure.
 
i would agree that if the bait is just corn it could be removed prior to the season and it would be legal. as long as there is nothing (minerals) in the soil. i guess just keep an eye on it and wait it out is all you can do. unless you were able to find out who put the pile there and speak to them personally. imho
 
FYI - I did just call Matt Rush(local DNR LEO) and explained the situation to him. A brief synopsis...at this point the corn is not a problem but it of course would be if the hunter was hunting over it. He may possibly be just trying to get some pics right now and as long as there is no corn there when the season starts then there isn't a violation.

He did offer to come out later and inspect the area if I see that this guy continues to dump corn once the season starts. The problem with that is I don't often go to this area on my farm except the one or two times we hunt our nearby stand. I will make an exception this year though. :way:

As long as the guy isn't baiting and stays off of my place, then so be it, he really can't shoot an arrow too far into my place. BUT I would really like to know if this guy is a gun hunter, because then there is pretty strong chance he would be shooting into my timber and that is not cool in my eyes. I would like to prevent that without starting a neighborhood feud unnecessarily.

Maybe I will make a sign with my phone number on it and get my picture taken on his game cam to have him call me. (I am serious.) I am sure I got on his cam the other day, but I was still on my ground, so no problem with that.
 
You never know, he might have a number inside the cam? That's what I do, I put my number inside my cam. I say put your phone number on it and ask him to call you if you don't find a number.
 
Youth season starts in just 12 days. That would make it bait at that time, I think, whether any one is hunting it or not. I don't know if it has crossed your mind but you might think about a well concealed trail cam that would show the stand and any one in it as well as the pile of corn. With youth season and disabled season and bow season and early ML season all starting in the next 38 days it just might be a wise thing to do and if necessary just let the DNR handle every thing. That might help avoid neighbor problems.
 
bowmaker said:
Youth season starts in just 12 days. That would make it bait at that time, I think, whether any one is hunting it or not. I don't know if it has crossed your mind but you might think about a well concealed trail cam that would show the stand and any one in it as well as the pile of corn. With youth season and disabled season and bow season and early ML season all starting in the next 38 days it just might be a wise thing to do and if necessary just let the DNR handle every thing. That might help avoid neighbor problems.
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Ahh, youth season...I hadn't even thought about that. Good point, that is just around the corner.

I have thought about placing one of my cams in the area, because I really don't want him/them wandering over on mine.

Even if I just let the DNR handle it would be pretty clear to my neighbor that I was involved. If the hunter is following the regs and staying on the neighbors property then I say more power to them and I wouldn't want to stir things up in that scenario. But the setup seems a little suspect to me right now, so I am going to monitor things for now.
 
TeenageHunter said:
You never know, he might have a number inside the cam? That's what I do, I put my number inside my cam. I say put your phone number on it and ask him to call you if you don't find a number.
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If I go over to the cam then I am on my neighbors property, which I would like to avoid. I can get in front of the cam though and still be on mine, which if things get a little dicey I would like to maintain the right approach.
 
A few years ago we found a ground blind just across the fence with a corn pile in front of it. It was during hunting season. The game warden sat on it for a while but said that he couldn't do aything unless they were hunting it. They could, after all, be wildlife lovers just out photographing the deer.:confused: I hadn't thought to ask the question about any stands I had within proximity of the pile.

**I've said it before but the thing I hate about game laws is that they are written to require interpretation. I called the DNR once with a law clarification question and I was told that I had better call my local game warden to see how he will enforce it. I hate that answer. If it is illegal it should be illegal to eveyone in the state and if it is legal, then legal to everyone regardless of the county!:mad: (Okay, I'm done with my rant.:))

I'll be curious to see how your warden handles it.
 
I had also heard about the month thing. That way deer would get back to a little normal pattern. I know with the mineral blocks you have to remove the dirt before hunting anywhere around it.
 
I've heard the 30 day rule too. But you guys on the forum and our CO said you can hunt it as long as there's not 1 kernel left on the ground opening day. So, if you want to be safe I'd take it out 1 month before.
 
bowman said:
A few years ago we found a ground blind just across the fence with a corn pile in front of it. It was during hunting season. The game warden sat on it for a while but said that he couldn't do aything unless they were hunting it. They could, after all, be wildlife lovers just out photographing the deer.:confused: I hadn't thought to ask the question about any stands I had within proximity of the pile.

**I've said it before but the thing I hate about game laws is that they are written to require interpretation. I called the DNR once with a law clarification question and I was told that I had better call my local game warden to see how he will enforce it. I hate that answer. If it is illegal it should be illegal to eveyone in the state and if it is legal, then legal to everyone regardless of the county!:mad: (Okay, I'm done with my rant.:))

I'll be curious to see how your warden handles it.
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Yeah, our CO won't let us keep the antlers off a buck we get a salvage tag for. That's why I get mine from the Sheriffs office now.
 
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