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I've seen it posted on here a few times. Coyote dogs or rabbit dogs etc. Ive seen some people wont stand for it and others say no big deal. Ive had trail cam pics the past couple years a couple times. It was always this time of year after the deer seasons. My thoughts was not to big of deal I guess, hopefully they are killing some yotes.

While out working this past weekend on the farm I heard some baying and it soon was clear someone was running their dogs through while I was there working in the timber. I just kept working, not much I could do about it. I whistled at them but they didnt come, yelled once thinking the owner might hear me. They went north up the creek and I never saw them. 30 minutes later here they come barking again, this time running down the edge of the creek channel, four dogs. Little bit later after I thought they were long gone here comes one more. An older dog and he wanted to be my buddy. He came right up wagging his tail etc. I was able to get a picture of his collar with the owners name & number. I could hear the owner near the rode beep their horn a couple times trying to call the dog back in, then he drove around the block and I could see his truck in the distance and the dog took off.

What bugs me a bit is I found a couple spots where obliviously a turkey had met their demise, nothing left but a bunch of feathers. And later on I found one of my better bucks from this past fall dead, it had been dad a little while, hide all gone etc. But it go me wondering if these dogs would kill a turkey if they came across one while out running or even kill a deer. I also have out corn & alfalfa bales out hoping to keep deer close in the winter to help find sheds. I would imagine if someone is regularly running dogs they bump the deer out when they do it.

What are your thoughts on the impact this has and if dogs would go after turkeys and deer? I have not been contacted by anyone asking permission to run their dogs and my understanding is it is legal for them to do so as long as the person themselves is not coming onto the property, so not much I can do anyways. But IMO they should atleast be asking permission. I'm not really sure what to think, how effective are dogs that are doing this on killing yotes etc. How does the owner even get the coyote if the dogs are pushing them if they cannot come onto my property to shoot etc?

Heres a picture of my little buddy that wanted to hang out with me instead of chase coyotes or whatever it is he is supposed to be doing. So there was alteast five dogs, all had the electric collars and pretty official tags, with owners name & phone #.

I plan to call the owner now that I have a number, but what do you think I should say etc.

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Most coyote hounds wont chase deer or anything but a coyote, they will chase whatever they are trained on. Most coyotes meet their demise when they roll out into the open fields to escape the dogs. Thats usually when the rifles crack from the pickup trucks.
Its amazing with the GPS collars how well you can track those hounds and it pretty obvious when you have one go rogue and chase a deer, they usually get corrected pretty quickly. I know its a hot topic but it can be pretty cool and down right amazing to watch any hound work, its funny everyone is against hounds unless its to track a wounded deer.
Id just touch base with the dogs owner and you may have a new friend.
 
Whooo boy, let's get this party started! :)

Few things will get the emotions and opinions rolling faster than dogs chasing game, etc, etc. A couple things...AFAIK, it is not legal for those dogs to be on your property, even if the owners don't follow them on in. However, it can be really tough to get anywhere with LE/DNR if they don't have any proof, etc. Note - it is my opinion that this tendency to "look the other way" varies from region to region, or CO to CO. Others can comment to that effect here too based on their experiences...my sense is that there will be different experiences represented.

After 20+ years of land ownership in rural SE Iowa with active hound groups (coyote) in the area, I have come to accept that they will be there and it is mainly OK. However, if the dogs chase game, deer/turkey/etc, other than coyotes that would drastically change my level of acceptance. From what I can gather the coyote hounds can "bump" game, but do not pursue it. I have seen deer jump out of their bed, run a couple hundred yards, or less, and then watch their back trail. After a few minutes, and nothing being on their trail, they settle down and go about their business. IMO, no real harm is done in that case. And as long as it is infrequent, again IMO, I don't see it impacting deer behavior.

The plusses are, assuming the coyote hunters are reasonably decent, many fewer coyotes on the local landscape. I'll take that trade.
 
Yeah, most times the hunter hardly ever leaves the truck, maybe to step out to shoot at a coyote crossing the road. I've seen the hunter up on his truck holding the antennas above his head trying to get signal from the dog's collar. This helps them know where the dogs are headed to try to get in front of the coyote.

I think timing of the hunt is important. Once, the guy was tossing dogs across the fence the day I wanted to go pheasant hunting. I didn't want his dogs busting out all the birds before I went out. Another time, I was sitting during late ML season and heard his dogs coming. I thought it might work to my benefit, but the dogs came through without moving any deer or coyotes. The dogs continued across the road into a huge river bottom track that doesn't have many bridges or roads, so pretty sure he lost signal as he drove up and down and up and down the road trying to find his dogs.

If they'd wait until Jan/Feb, it wouldn't bother me AS much. Still irk me that someone is running roughshod across my place without permission. I don't share very well, nor should I have to.
 
Frustrating. I'd be finding out if there is a particular property that the owner has permission on or if he is just letting his dogs run, knowing full well they will go where they're not supposed to.
Bowmar had dog issues and he would take the dogs and drop them off at the arl or dog pound and let the owner know. He told the owner that each time he found the dogs they would be dropped off at a further location. Little different than your situation, but a lot of these type of people don't learn and try to skirt around the law.

I'd probably warn the owner that I run snares for coyotes and I'd hate for one of his dogs to get caught in one. Whether I run snares or not it doesn't matter, his dogs are where they're not supposed to be.

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I get a call from the local group for permission after deer season is over and give them the green light to kill everyone they can along with permission given when people ask to go try and call them in .
 
Frustrating. I'd be finding out if there is a particular property that the owner has permission on or if he is just letting his dogs run, knowing full well they will go where they're not supposed to.
Bowmar had dog issues and he would take the dogs and drop them off at the arl or dog pound and let the owner know. He told the owner that each time he found the dogs they would be dropped off at a further location. Little different than your situation, but a lot of these type of people don't learn and try to skirt around the law.

I'd probably warn the owner that I run snares for coyotes and I'd hate for one of his dogs to get caught in one. Whether I run snares or not it doesn't matter, his dogs are where they're not supposed to be.

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At the farm I deer hunt, a few summers ago I had the neighbors dogs on cam a couple times. I stopped and told him that we trap coyotes in the fall and I’d sure hate for either of his dogs to end up with a foot pinched, or dead in a snare….never saw them on cam again.
 
Just allow/ respect/ learn more about houndsmen. Everyone I know that runs hounds knows exactly where their dogs are. Even if miles away.

Just guessing but, watching by his videos, Bomar likes to embelish what he does.!;)
A houndsman can tell IMMEDIATELY via GPS if someone picks up thier dog and where it is.

I've been around LOTS of coyote hounds and have watched them run through wintering deer yards/ cattle pastures. Their trained and are focused on COYOTE scent! Once in a while, a young pup will check up smelling them but get immediate 【 correction] .

I've yet to ever see a problem that some people " think" they've seen.

" your" deer will be far more negatively impacted by having coyotes living amongst them then getting them killed by while running hounds a couple times a year.

Embrace the hound guys. Heck, go as far as helping them get more ground to run.
Ask to join in. Most are glad to educate those on the fence.
Just like many things in life, one person can get pissed off over something, spread thier hate without thinking about the " good of it".
Coyote hounds are NOT killing deer/ turkeys!
 
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A houndsman can tell IMMEDIATELY via GPS if someone picks up thier dog and where it is.

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A neighbor of mine scooped up a "lost" hound on his property once and had it in the cab of his truck, I seem to recall that he was going to take it for a drive and then dump it, but this has been long enough ago now that I don't remember for sure what he was going to do for sure. But after a short drive down the road, the dog's owners were right behind him on the road. That culminated in a testy exchange as I understand, but yes, that dog was never really "lost". It didn't take them long to track it down, FWIW.
 
What good does it do if hounds are behind a coyote and the handler doesn't have permission on the land they are on?

If the handler would say see the coyote running across an open field on land they have no permission on they legally can't shoot it anyways. Just a wild guess but they would shoot it anyways. Just because it's a coyote doesn't mean laws should be bent.

I have a bird dog should I send her out on someone's land of crp and let her hunt down birds and sit at the truck and drink coffee?

I think my position on the matter can be sensed here.
 
I once watched a pack of 4 chase down a longbeard. He couldn’t fly but was running from them. My guess as to why he couldn’t fly was one had nipped him already. The gob was in pretty bad shape. He actually took to the water and somehow floated there like a duck when the dogs wouldn’t go in after him. I was bank fishing at the time. All dogs won’t chase turkeys but clearly some will if given the opportunity.
 
Frustrating. I'd be finding out if there is a particular property that the owner has permission on or if he is just letting his dogs run, knowing full well they will go where they're not supposed to.
Bowmar had dog issues and he would take the dogs and drop them off at the arl or dog pound and let the owner know. He told the owner that each time he found the dogs they would be dropped off at a further location. Little different than your situation, but a lot of these type of people don't learn and try to skirt around the law.

I'd probably warn the owner that I run snares for coyotes and I'd hate for one of his dogs to get caught in one. Whether I run snares or not it doesn't matter, his dogs are where they're not supposed to be.

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Bowmar is the last one that should be complaining about someone doing something illegal. :D:D
 
I remember years ago being down in Davis County one afternoon when the locals were running their coyote dogs, they had been going for almost 2 miles and radios showed they were coming to a gravel road. I have never seen a display of deer crossing a road like that before. There had to have been 2-300 deer that crossed over that 3/4 mile stretch we could see for at least 15 minutes. I have never seen that many booner bucks in a short time as I did that day.
Unfortunately, they came from the direction of a farm we were going to sit on so that ruined our afternoon with it all being shook up.
 
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