D&D Flesheaters
Owner of D&D Flesheaters
I feel sort of the same way as they guy above me. I hunt some really good public lands and I don't feel that Iowa should be publicized more than it is. Before you know it everyone and their brother will be hunting it. At the same time, some of my buddies have been video taping our deer, turkey, and duck hunts, so I wouldn't let a couple of comments set you back
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straitshot
Guest
I would agree Iowa has enough publicity as is. I would however like the ability to film my own hunts. Not to sell, but to be able to relive the hunt.
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PupChowMN
Guest
Depends on the video. I film hunts and i hear the same thing from outfitters and their hunters wanting to defend their "honey hole" after we make a successful harvest. It might be more practical to make a TV show but a hunting video with such a diverse offering of hunting could be a tough sale. Personally you can say you shoot everything in SE Iowa cause it takes pressure off of us here in Central Iowa. But realistically I don't think it would add much more pressure than the HS, Drury and Realtree Videos have already placed on Iowa. Let alone the successful harvests from last year.
avidhunter
New Member
It would be neat to see some of the hunts from people on this site...but I agree with the others above, I don't think Iowa needs any more publicity
FarmlandQDM
New Member
I agree that Iowa has lost it's secret of being a great deer hunting state. I hate it too, but I also realize there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about that. The only thing we can do about it, that will make a positive impact for Iowa's deer hunting future, is to use all the publicity to our advantage.
We need to start making all Iowan's realize the economic importance of our deer herd. When this happens the legislatures will realize the benefit of our deer heard and that is how you really improve wildlife populations today. If deer are recognized as a valuable economic resource, instead of a nuisance, in the long run our quality of deer will improve. If quality whitetails are seen as a commodity, the general public and legislatures will be more interested in managing our deer herd for quality whitetails.
This could mean more money appropriated to public land acquisition. More law enforcment and larger penalties to deter poaching. More funding of habitat improvement projects on private lands. More funding allocated to testing deer for diseases which would help us reduce the affects of a disease outbreaks. More money for QDM education.
Like the old saying goes ... don't wish in one hand and s--t in the other ... the only thing that will stop the outside interest in our deer herd is the decline in the quality of our deer herd. I'm sure none of us want that so let's start using the publicity for something positive. Start talking to landowners about how to manage their deer herd and the value of reducing the doe population and protecting younger bucks. Tell people about the ecomomic benefit of our huge bucks and how much hunters spend in local stores, resturants, and gas stations. Iowan's need to realize that deer hunters from Florida to Alaska are interested in buck's we grow right here. If all Iowans protect and manage this resource, think what we will have.
We need to start making all Iowan's realize the economic importance of our deer herd. When this happens the legislatures will realize the benefit of our deer heard and that is how you really improve wildlife populations today. If deer are recognized as a valuable economic resource, instead of a nuisance, in the long run our quality of deer will improve. If quality whitetails are seen as a commodity, the general public and legislatures will be more interested in managing our deer herd for quality whitetails.
This could mean more money appropriated to public land acquisition. More law enforcment and larger penalties to deter poaching. More funding of habitat improvement projects on private lands. More funding allocated to testing deer for diseases which would help us reduce the affects of a disease outbreaks. More money for QDM education.
Like the old saying goes ... don't wish in one hand and s--t in the other ... the only thing that will stop the outside interest in our deer herd is the decline in the quality of our deer herd. I'm sure none of us want that so let's start using the publicity for something positive. Start talking to landowners about how to manage their deer herd and the value of reducing the doe population and protecting younger bucks. Tell people about the ecomomic benefit of our huge bucks and how much hunters spend in local stores, resturants, and gas stations. Iowan's need to realize that deer hunters from Florida to Alaska are interested in buck's we grow right here. If all Iowans protect and manage this resource, think what we will have.
Bravo, FQDM.
The last thing any of us want is pressure in our own hunting areas. The vision I see in my worst nightmare is a shiny new Suburban with out of state plates pull into the driveway down the gravel from where I hunt. 5 or 6 guys get out and in their best southern drawl exclaim the virtues of the land and make their way into the timber...only to kick up the trophy buck I've been scouting all summer and shoot him on the spot.
It could happen...but the thought of rich out of state hunters coming into my community and spending their hard earned money is enticing. The exorbitant fees we could charge on hunting licenses to fund the habitat projects and herd strengthening programs makes me giddy.
It takes strong management of the hunting community to go hand in hand management of the herd/habitat....but it could benefit us all!
The last thing any of us want is pressure in our own hunting areas. The vision I see in my worst nightmare is a shiny new Suburban with out of state plates pull into the driveway down the gravel from where I hunt. 5 or 6 guys get out and in their best southern drawl exclaim the virtues of the land and make their way into the timber...only to kick up the trophy buck I've been scouting all summer and shoot him on the spot.
It could happen...but the thought of rich out of state hunters coming into my community and spending their hard earned money is enticing. The exorbitant fees we could charge on hunting licenses to fund the habitat projects and herd strengthening programs makes me giddy.
It takes strong management of the hunting community to go hand in hand management of the herd/habitat....but it could benefit us all!
FDQM,
I agree with you wholeheartedly – if we as hunters strategically use the momentum created by this publicity to manage and improve our resources, we will all benefit. The only caution is we must do it very carefully – because if we don’t, we as hunters could suffer. As soon as you commoditize the Iowa deer herd, or more specifically the privilege to hunt them, the economic law of supply and demand will drive any results. We have only limited control over the supply (right now I believe our focus is on actually reducing the supply to match carrying capacity of the land) - but we are quite capable of tripling the demand. If we aren’t careful, and we focus too much on simply promoting outside our borders, hunting opportunities for residents who can’t or don’t choose to pay will decline tremendously.
I currently hunt a piece of property about 60 miles from my house. The property to the North is leased by a group of Iowans, the property to the West is leased by a dentist from California, and the property to the Southeast is leased by 2 gentlemen from Michigan. That’s approximately 1400 acres closed to local hunters. Right now I am budgeting my money anticipating that in the very near future I will either have to pay for the rights, or purchase the land to hunt. I do want to see our sport prosper, and I think you are right on the mark with your post, but unless we do what you’re suggesting in conjunction with increase public-use lands and managed licensing, we could end driving residents from the sport.
I agree with you wholeheartedly – if we as hunters strategically use the momentum created by this publicity to manage and improve our resources, we will all benefit. The only caution is we must do it very carefully – because if we don’t, we as hunters could suffer. As soon as you commoditize the Iowa deer herd, or more specifically the privilege to hunt them, the economic law of supply and demand will drive any results. We have only limited control over the supply (right now I believe our focus is on actually reducing the supply to match carrying capacity of the land) - but we are quite capable of tripling the demand. If we aren’t careful, and we focus too much on simply promoting outside our borders, hunting opportunities for residents who can’t or don’t choose to pay will decline tremendously.
I currently hunt a piece of property about 60 miles from my house. The property to the North is leased by a group of Iowans, the property to the West is leased by a dentist from California, and the property to the Southeast is leased by 2 gentlemen from Michigan. That’s approximately 1400 acres closed to local hunters. Right now I am budgeting my money anticipating that in the very near future I will either have to pay for the rights, or purchase the land to hunt. I do want to see our sport prosper, and I think you are right on the mark with your post, but unless we do what you’re suggesting in conjunction with increase public-use lands and managed licensing, we could end driving residents from the sport.
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PupChowMN
Guest
I agree that Iowans already know what they have...thats why leasing is becoming an issue and land prices are $3500+ an acre. The last thing you want though is to be in a situation like texas, where if you want to hunt you have to lease. I don't know if it was on this site or not but mentioning of the roots of hunting being a rich persons sport in the days of ol', we are coming full circle to that again. Whether we own or lease the proverbial "kings land" or not, in the future this sport is going to cost some serious $$$$ whether it's Iowa or not.
Liv4Rut
Active Member
I think publicity for the most part can only hurt our deer herd, instead of help it. My dad talks about back when anybody would let you hunt for nothing. You could hunt almost anywhere you wanted to with nothing but a handshake. Publicity of the state is the only thing that has really happened since then, which has brought us to where we are now. which is alot of leasing which was unheard of back then. And to think back then was only 20 years ago, I think we are only 40-50 percent there of whats coming in the future. It's not gonna be pretty. early mentioned was how if the general public new how important the deer herd was, maybe they would strive to make it better. Now think about it, when we say general public, we are basically talking non-hunting landowners. All the folks that have hunting spots and own land to hunt can make it better by trying qdm, harvesting more does, and passing on the small bucks. But since we are wanting nonhunting landowners to make it better is just crazy. we are only human and if there is a quick way to make a buck we will do it. These landowners are starting to realize that people will pay big money to hunt their land, most iowa residents don't really want to pay to hunt, and for the few that do are generally happy with what they have and can't lock up all the ground because you can only hunt so much. So now we are talking about nonresidents, as the target for coming in and giving them money to hunt, Well the only way they can do that is to backfire against iowa hunters and push legislation into upping the quota and let more nonresidents come in and hunt and pay them good money for nothing. Which pushes iowa residents away from lots of hunting ground, and would actually increase deer numbers since nonresidents do not have the time or availability of the tags we can get here. Then we say well getting publicity brings more money into local businesses, such as gas stations and restuarants. I dont think that is true because we are decreasing the local hunters who would be there almost every weekend for 3 months with nonresidents that would be there 1-2-3 weeks of the year. If there was a 5000 acre block and there were 20 residents that hunted it, compared to 1-2 guys that had the whole thing locked up, you can see who would pay more in local businesses, so I don't think that publicity can benefit anyone but non-hunting landowners. Now it would be more appealing for local businesses to also want more nonresidents to come in, but since the quota fills every year they will see no more money unless they up the quota for nonresidents. So basically it does nothing for us resident hunters in my opinion, except make us frustrated when leased signs are about as commmon as speed limit signs
DOR
Life Member
Iowachip-
I'll actually try to answer your question here. I would buy a video that was locally produced if it was done in a high quality manner. The biggest problem with doing a quality video of course, is the editing portion. But, to answer your question, yes, i would buy a video that was done by guys who actually are hunting ground that they didn't have to pay big bucks to hunt or even are hunting public ground. For me its not about how big a buck you get on video, its about the quality and the manner in which you take the animal and produce the video.
On a side note, you dont have to say "oh, by the way i was hunting so and so's farm 13.5 miles se of des moines"
Not that you would anyway. Hope that answers your question. Sorry your thread got hijacked.
I'll actually try to answer your question here. I would buy a video that was locally produced if it was done in a high quality manner. The biggest problem with doing a quality video of course, is the editing portion. But, to answer your question, yes, i would buy a video that was done by guys who actually are hunting ground that they didn't have to pay big bucks to hunt or even are hunting public ground. For me its not about how big a buck you get on video, its about the quality and the manner in which you take the animal and produce the video.
On a side note, you dont have to say "oh, by the way i was hunting so and so's farm 13.5 miles se of des moines"
Liv4Rut
Active Member
oops, I guess the thread did get a little hijacked.
sorry about that. as far as your question goes iowachip, yes I would like to see a hunting movie made by 3 guys hunting iowa. In fact I don't think there is a hunting movie I wouldn't mind watching anywhere
get out there and get that movie going, only days left!!!!!!!!!!
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't buy it. I don't get any thrill out of watching someone else hunt. It really doesn't matter to me where the hunt is filmed. While on vacation earlier this year, the place we stayed had an outdoor/hunting cable channel. I watched it as it was somewhat of a novelty for me (being on vacation and HAVING access to such programming). If our satellite dish has a similar channel, I've lacked the motivation to find it. I have never rented a hunting video and wouldn't buy one. Just my view.
FarmlandQDM
New Member
yes Iowachip ... I also would buy the Iowa videos if they where good quality ...
Liv4rut ... I agree with you that what is happening stinks but the way I see it we have two options. We can do nothing and continue on the path we are on which will lead to the future you discribed, or we can try and turn the inevitable into something even slightly positive. Lease hunting and limited access to private ground is our future. If we sit around and simply say this sucks ... it will.
Liv4rut ... I agree with you that what is happening stinks but the way I see it we have two options. We can do nothing and continue on the path we are on which will lead to the future you discribed, or we can try and turn the inevitable into something even slightly positive. Lease hunting and limited access to private ground is our future. If we sit around and simply say this sucks ... it will.