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I recieved a reply to my letter about the lessoning of rules for Non-Res. She said,,"How would someone using thier own land, effect you"? So ina nice way, I told her. Nice of her to reply anyway. Emails must be gettin to her.
 
Duh! The deer are obviously contained to the private landowner's own land and, therefore, not your concern. I think they teach that in some Wildlife Biology for Legislators class somewhere. :thrwrck:

Keep up the good fight. Yes, I'm NR, yes, I wouldn't mind owning a piece of land back in Iowa where I grew up, and yes, I support keeping NR priveleges/rights how they are. I would be extremely upset if AZ gave NR private landowners benefits, especially since I can't get drawn in the stupid lottery as a resident down here.
 
I am a NR(soon to be a resident) and an Iowa landowner,and I agree. Iowa has something special and unless we want it to end up like a Buffalo/Pike County(too many people and not as many big bucks) lets just leave it alone. Lets take away the media tags while were at it!
 
Yea, but she also realizes only about 10% of the Iowa population are hunters; with that number maybe slightly higher in her district. Many factors, other than the licensed Iowa hunter, are considered.
 
10% of Iowa population are hunters? I doubt those figures are accurate.Iowa has 2.9 million people and 400,000 deer tags were sold.I know people bought more than one tag but also there are a lot of hunters that hunt small game and waterfowl that don't deer hunt.I would guess closer to 30% or 40% are hunters of some type.
Is is a good policy for anyone running for an elected office to have the sportsman's vote.The non-residents can cry and whine all they want about NRLO rights but they have NO vote. Maybe many factors other than Iowa hunters are concerned but it sure isn't non-residents hunters that should be of any concern at all.Non-resident hunters and NRLOs should feel fortunate to be able to hunt Iowa once every 3 or 4 years.Try drawing an elk tag in Arizona or a moose tag in Utah.
 
archery95 said:
Maybe many factors other than Iowa hunters are concerned but it sure isn't non-residents hunters that should be of any concern at all.Non-resident hunters and NRLOs should feel fortunate to be able to hunt Iowa once every 3 or 4 years.
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I agree with you, Archery95; however, there is one "chink" in the armor of your argument that I can see (not that I don't agree, again, I just see one flaw). As was pointed out to me one time, NR tags generate a significant amount of income for the various states' wildlife management agencies, and NR hunters do spend a great deal of money when they get into town (often quite a bit more than locals spend), therefore contributing significantly to local economies. Now, having said that, I still agree that every state should always favor its residents and NR should, as you say, feel fortunate to draw a tag in those states known for trophy status. To further clarify my earlier point about NRs bringing in income to local economies, when I had that pointed out to me, my response was something like "I don't give a rat's a$$ how much money they contribute, I'm tired of hearing about NRs getting elk and deer tags while I sit home every season".

Try drawing an elk tag in Arizona
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Exactly! I've gone 5 years now without getting drawn as a resident. Depending on what unit you apply for and what your hunt method is (archery, muzz, rifle), it can take as much as 16 years to get a tag (Unit 9 archery bull tag). I'm not anticipating getting drawn until 2012! :( The running average for a desert bighorn tag in AZ is about 20-25 years.
 
Sorry Archery95, based on your figures about 13.5% of Iowans are hunters. My bad.
Actually the numbers came from the census, 3,002,555 Iowans, and the Iowa Deer Study Committee last year, 390,941 licenses, minus NR's of course, result in 13%. They aren't exact but they're close. All in all most Iowa residents are not hunters.
 
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Jdub..you missed my point here.Not ALL hunters in Iowa hunt deer.We have coon hunters,waterfowl hunters,Rabbit hunters,coyote hunters,pheasant hunters and any other type of hunters you can name.Not all are deer hunters but I hope all are sportsmen and would support the state and would be against any laws that aren't in the best interests of the resident deer hunter.As an example...if there was a bill to ban coon hunting with flashlights I would be writting my state reps to voice my opinion and I never have coon hunted in my life.
 
I'm with Archery95 on this one again. I grew up in Iowa and my dad and I religiously hunted pheasant, quail, rabbit, turkeys, and the occasional squirrel, but never deer. Most of my hunting buddies were the same way (no deer hunting at all). I didn't start hunting deer until I left Iowa. Even when I was in grad school in Texas, I still bought my resident Iowa hunting license to keep the money coming into the state. If the numbers presented by Jdub are related to deer, then they are not anywhere near an accurate representation of how many residents in Iowa hunt. If I thought my voice would actually count in this instance, I'd be writing my former legislatures supporting the resident hunters.
 
OK guys I get the point and you are right about the numbers, however, I would believe non deer hunters could care less about deer hunting regs. For example, in PA trout fishing is huge, I don't trout fish, and I don't care what the PA Fish Commission implements regarding the activity. I based the numbers on Iowa "deer" hunting licenses sold.
 
AZHunter said:
As was pointed out to me one time, NR tags generate a significant amount of income for the various states' wildlife management agencies, and NR hunters do spend a great deal of money when they get into town (often quite a bit more than locals spend), therefore contributing significantly to local economies.

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I really would question whether a NR puts more money into the local economy than a non resident that lives here 365 days a year with their family.
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risto2351 said:
AZHunter said:
As was pointed out to me one time, NR tags generate a significant amount of income for the various states' wildlife management agencies, and NR hunters do spend a great deal of money when they get into town (often quite a bit more than locals spend), therefore contributing significantly to local economies.

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I really would question whether a NR puts more money into the local economy than a non resident that lives here 365 days a year with their family.
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I have to agree. Even when the NR comes to Iowa to hunt; they pack their coolers with beer and food. Many even come in motor homes. I know of several that stay in motels and eat at restraunts, but they come to Iowa to bowhunt by themselves. I'm pretty sure Iowa's local economy isn't impacted much by NR's who deer hunt.
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Whatever the numbers of resident hunters are really doesn't matter, we all have family and realitives who although they might not hunt share our views on hunting and they do vote, so for Jdubs to say 10-13%, I highly doubt any elected official in my district is taking us lightly. Some have and they no longer serve my area!
 
OMG...I don't know why I feel such a need to reply to your last post Jdub.I am sure glad you aren't a resident of Iowa.Just because you don't trout fish you don't care what the Pa fish commission implements regarding that activity?It seems strange for you to be so willing to voice your opinions about what happens in a state 1000 miles away and not in your own state.We need all people that are passionte about the outdoors to step to the plate and voice their opinion even if things don't directly effect their interests.I don't hunt pheasents or waterfowl anymore but I go to a couple Pheasants Forever and DU banquets every year.I don't own any guns but I am a member of the NRA.I don't trout fish either but if the state was going to close one of the hatcheries because of budget cuts or something, and a group of trout fishermen/women were going to have a big fund raiser I am sure I would donate to it.I would not be saying "I don't trout fish so I don't care."
 
Risto and Cedar Creek, I didn't say I agreed with the argument, I was simply stating it as an argument that was pointed out to me. I've had that argument made to me by several AGFD folks down here when I've pointed out that I get tired of hearing about all the NR deer and elk hunters (not that I'm opposed to them) when I can't draw a tag for either species as a resident. Some NRs do sink a good chunk of money and some don't. Either way, I've always made it clear that states should favor their resident hunters over the NRs and I've always used my experiences growing up in Iowa to compare to some of the stuff I don't like about the process down here, especially when you compare it to other western states with good elk and mule deer numbers and quality.

And Archery 95 nailed it again. If we don't stick together as sportsmen and vote all the issues appropriately, then we risk loosing it all. I don't hunt waterfowl or furbearers, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't support those groups. I expect their support on the issues that matter most to me.
 
QUOTE]For example, in PA trout fishing is huge, I don't trout fish, and I don't care what the PA Fish Commission implements regarding the activity.[[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious. If we didn't help each other out in Iowa, we would have went down the tube a long time ago.


Nice reply 95
QUOTE]It seems strange for you to be so willing to voice your opinions about what happens in a state 1000 miles away and not in your own state.[[/QUOTE]
 
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