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Ghost

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I found it interesting that with all the hype every year about Iowa's out of control deer herd, we aren't even in the top ten.
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Certain states experience more collisions with deer than others, with the Midwest hold five of the ten spots in the top ten list. According to State Farm's annual claim statistics, the states with the highest number of accidents involving deer between July 1, 2005 and June 30, 2006 were:

1. Pennsylvania
2. Michigan
3. Illinois
4. Ohio
5. Georgia
6. Virginia
7. Minnesota
8. Texas
9. Indiana
10. South Carolina

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Wow. State Farm must not insure very many autos in MO. I am a claim rep and MO has the most car v. deer claims that we handle.
In fact, there is one guy I handled a claim for who hit 3 deer in 5 minutes.
He hit one, got out of his car, deer ran off limping. He decided to finish his drive home, then hit another 2 at the same time down the road.
Same guy had 13 deer hit claims in 4years with the company
 
dbltree- I was thinking the same thing. You guys have a good thing going. Monster bucks, little hunting pressure and great food for them everywhere you look. Jealous.....
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I am done buying all of these doe tags and slaughtering does.I wish everybody else would jump on the band wagon too. I want a higher deer pop. I fell for it for the last few years, but I think that we are WAY OVER HARVESTING does. I shoot one doe a year now and one buck(If I am willing to spend the taxidermy fee on the buck;too small, he walks)BTW Ghost, good post.
 
I don't know if Iowa has ever been in the top ten. Anybody know if this is just a raw number or has it been adjusted to population and miles driven?

I'm guessin it is a raw number and if you applied population, or better put, number of licensed drivers, and average number of miles driven, Iowa would be right up there.

Hardcorehunter, it may be true in your area that the numbers are down, but I still see herds of 20-30 deer along I-80. It was/is my hope that with the new reporting system coupled with areial and route counting, the DNR will be able to fine tune doe tags so you may not need to slaughter does in your area. The problem has been and always will be access to the herds that need slaughtering by folks who don't mind taking the responsibillity to kill only does.

I also have to wonder, if Iowa is in the top ten states for B&C bucks, does this correlate to over all herd size? I know there are tons of factors involved in the accuracy of the population number, but numbers make me wonder.

The 'Bonker
 
Fishbonker, probably because along the interstates there is no hunting done near them. I believe it is a law isn't it that states no hunting along interstates, or maybe that is only on the right of way? Anyway, I have a landowner that likes me to take a doe and I will take that one doe to keep him happy. I just think that we all thought it was cool as hell to go out and buy 6 or so doe tags a piece and shoot does. I felt like I was doing a great service to the state as the DNR wanted us to, plus after years of restriction on harvest, it was fun. I am just done doing it. The deer pop. may be too high in some peoples' eyes, but not mine. I would like to see it like it was 2-3 years ago. Just my opinion and some us guys were talking at a wild game feed in Story City the 1st weekend in Feb and we all felt the same way. We all agreed that we were done shooting up does. Where I hunt, I haven't seen much change in deer population, but I know a lot of guys that shotgun hunt, said that the numbers were really down this year.
 
Bonker, they report a raw number, that is why we are nowhere near the top.

I bet if they ran something on the number of deer/car accidents per capita we would jump into that top 10.
 
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Bonker, they report a raw number, that is why we are nowhere near the top.

I bet if they ran something on the number of deer/car accidents per capita we would jump into that top 10.

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My point exactly.

Hardcore you missed my point. There are still pockets in Iowa that need to be thinned. They aren't in your back yard, nor in mine, but some other counties, or parts of counties; maybe even mine, that may be over run.

So I'm trying to say you may be done buying doe tags, but there are plenty of us who are not. I am going to trust in Willie Suchy to try and guide the State to a better overall deer herd.

The 'Bonker
 
HCH so your areas deer numbers are good, and doe tags numbers need to be dropped, tell your legislator and the DNR.

there are many areas of the state (mainly southern iowa, south east especially) where herd numbers are still out of control. i really don't think encouraging all hunters to base their hunting strategies based on deer numbers in your area is overly smart.

based on what i've seen in my limited travels around the state, the ground around story city, and the land around me is vastly different. as i'm sure the deer numbers are. and i'm sure they are different in the areas is southeast iowa. lets use some sense before we tell the DNR that since there are "no deer left around story city, then by all means, lets just stop shooting does all over the state"


if deer numbers in your area have gone too low, tell the DNR, and your legislators. if they are too high, do the same. i'm sure you will see tag allotments in the majority of counties change from year to year.
 
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There are still pockets in Iowa that need to be thinned. They aren't in your back yard, nor in mine, but some other counties, or parts of counties; maybe even mine, that may be over run.

So I'm trying to say you may be done buying doe tags, but there are plenty of us who are not. I am going to trust in Willie Suchy to try and guide the State to a better overall deer herd

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I think taking does is something each hunter in his or her area will decide for themselves.

There are still way too many on both my farms but a few miles down the road there may not be.

I do know that the highways that I travel have been littered with fresh road kills even after season ended.

Access and terrain vary so widely across the state that Mr. Suchy has his work cut out for him to satisfy all sides...impossible from where sit
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I know I wouldn't want that responsibility
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I know what your points are guys. My point as a hunter is that it is hard to have too many deer. As long as the land is not suffering from over brousing of trees and shrubs of course. What is considered too many deer in you guys' eyes? Just because there are car/deer accidents doesn't in my eyes warrant shooting does. I am a hunter. I will never complain about too many pheasants, ducks, geese, deer, etc. This is my point. The DNR gets pressure from Farm Bureau and the insurance industry to lower deer pops. As long as disease isn't an issue. I have never read or heard that IA's deer herd was at risk of disease due to over population. When these extra doe tags became available three years ago, Willy was in the deer regs stating that the insurance industry had had it with the high deer pop. The DNR wants the herd downsized because of pressure from the insurance industry.
 
Hunters and the groups that support us (ie. IBA) need to encourage the lawmakers to not throw the baby out with the bath water. Every year the lobbist's from the insurance companies, Farm Bureau and others are there putting on the pressure to kill more deer.

I'd like to see the DNR or wildlife bioligist's argue that it takes more than one year to see what kind of results a seasons worth of deer kill have on the next years population. It seems like some of these knucklheads look out thier car window on I-35, see 40 deer in a field and think there's still way too many deer.
 
"I'm guessing because we have a whole lot less people!"

Very true statement dbltree. PA is seeing a lot of deer/vehicle collisions not because there's more deer but because the human poulation grows every year & urban spraw has taken a lot of habitat away. End result is less farm land & houses everywhere giving the whitetails less places to call home so they travel more to feed & the city slickers drive like maniacs. Maybe they drive fast on back roads to avoid the fresh smell of manure. My thinking is if they don't like it then they should move back to the city & stop running over my potential next years deer harvest!
 
This problem is too big and complex to be put into a couple of posts on a thread. But I’ll try.

There is no disputing the fact that between 1985 and 2000 the deer heard in Iowa doubled. The human population has remained roughly constant. It only stands to reason then, that deer/human conflicts have increased. The time this conversation should have taken place was about 1995. Yes, deer hunters wanted a larger herd and by God we got it. Unfortunately we as deer hunters didn’t take the long view of the increased herd size. Everything was marmalade on English muffins; we didn’t see the down side that included an increase in car/deer collisions and over browsing. Both situations quickly caught the eye of the insurance companies, both car and crop. Now we are in a “knee jerk” mode by the insurance companies. They want all deer dead. We hope the people of Iowa will never allow that, so we have to do what we can to try and ease the pressure.

Unfortunately we have gotten used to the high deer numbers because we allowed the herd size to grow. This was a time before QDM was in vogue and most hunters only killed bucks of any size allowing for the uncontrolled upward spiral of the herd. Now its time to pay the piper. Neither the residents of Iowa, nor the insurance companies will allow this to continue and it is foolish to think other wise. Therefore, I feel it is incumbent upon us as deer hunters to do all we can to get the deer herd back in reasonable control. We can not accomplish this by saying “I’m done buying all of these doe tags and slaughtering does.” Or maybe I’m giving people more credit for influence they don’t really have.

To answer your question how many deer are too many? I can’t put a number on that. What I would like to see is a return to a similar car/deer accident ratio, and therefore herd size, the state had in the mid to late 90’s. Along with that I would like to see a similar drop in crop damage claims to the same as the mid to late ‘90s. Both of these figures would need to be adjusted for the number of drivers as well as crop acreage in the state today compared to the mid to late 90’s

As a driver in Iowa, I have the right to a reasonable expectation that I can drive down the road and not have a collision with a deer. As a hunter in Iowa, do I have the right to a reasonable expectation that I will kill a deer every year? It is that balance that the DNR is now trying to find. With input from hunters, insurance companies and residents they will hopefully find the magic number we can all live with.

I will also say the insurance companies would be better off working with sportsmen and sportsmen’s groups rather than fighting them. I’ve covered this topic before, but if the Farm Bureau would offer incentives to their policy holders for killing deer or letting people hunt their land to kill deer they would come out way ahead in the end.

Let’s say the FB will give a land owner/farmer a 100 dollar discount on their crop or farm insurance if a hunter legally tags and registers a doe on his property. If that doe had run in front of a car the average damage from the collision is 2K. They just saved themselves 1900 bucks. These figures are, of course, arbitrary.

OK, I’m almost done. While we as sportsmen like to see large number of pheasants, ducks, geese, deer and turkeys there is a point of diminishing returns. If any population is allowed to grow virtually unchecked, we as sportsmen will pay the price. That is what is happening now with the deer herd. Next in line is the turkey population. Anybody got any numbers on turkey/car collisions or turkey induced crop damage?

OK, I’m spent. Time to open a 40.

The ‘Bonker
 
Bonker, hope you are enjoying the King Cobra!!!

You definitely make some good points about the deer population. I too know as I hunt it and see it in several areas that the deer are overpopulated, again this doesn't apply to everywhere, but when you are seeing more and more deer the size of a Yellow lab every year there is something to be said about deer herd. I will continue to pop does in these areas, as it will only help the buck/doe ratio and improve my chances of getting that big boy on his feet.

I do believe however, that in order to please the FB and insurance companies that certain specific areas (deer refuges) are going to have to be opened to either 1.) the bowhunter or 2.) sharp-shooters. Again you and I both know that areas along I-380 and I-80 are packed with deer, the population in these area has been high since the developments in those areas went up and until something is done about these areas, people are going to rant and rave about how high the deer population is (based solely on the fact they saw 100 deer in a two mile stretch here). I believe that if we were to put a hurtin on these dense deer poplations along very well known and traveled areas we would solve much of our problem (less accidents, less talk of the large herd seen on I-380 or in the CR landfill area, etc.)
 
If hunters don't choose to manage the herd, that privelege will be placed elsewhere. I am willing to see less deer as long as I get privelege to hunt them. Applies to most places and species, I think.
 
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