I have shot vertical pins (trophy ridge sights) for the past 12 years. I started with the standard 5 pin sight by trophy ridge. I absolutely loved this sight. Easy to adjust without any tools. However, two years ago while traveling to my hunting spot by motorcycle a rock took out two of the pins on the sight. A great chance for a new sight. I bought the trophy ridge crazy 8 sight. This sight allows you to sight in your bow to 90 yards. I agree that this is not the sight for paper targets, it is a much better hunting sight. I feel confident up to 70 yards. My longest kill was 73 yards last year.