why do outfitters have their own set of rules??

[teeroy]

just watched track and trail adventures, and they were hunting the teague ranch, south of des moines. they were using rifles. i have seen this on other shows when they feature iowa. so, iowa is saying, that if you have enough cash, you can get over the laws that apply to other hunters. now if the tax paying citizens can't use a rifle, then no one should. if these people want to shoot deer with rifles, there are plenty of states they can go to.

 

[Limb Chicken]

teeroy,
Those are fenced in operations. Therefore they own the animals not the state.

 

[Bingo529]

So if I put a fence around my property I can go in and shoot deer with a rifle???And what about when they kill a big buck,do they get to put them in the books????

 

[blake]

I believe that fenced animals are not or should not knowingly be allowed in quote the books.

Game animals listed in Boone & Crocket have stringent fair chase rules. Something to the effect of the individual harvesting the animal must sign a Fair Chase affidavit. There have been individuals that have had there B/C registered trophies disqualified years after they were entered into the books when infractions were discovered by the B/C panel and governing body.

But my question with regards to shooting fenced deer with high power center fire rifles is this. I was under the impression for many years now that the DNRs reason for not allowing deer hunting with high powers was a safety issue. Is it not a safety issue just because the deer are privately owned? Are there no residents living in and around these high fenced operations? Like will that high fence will stop a bullet traveling at 2400 FPS??

 

[deadeye]

I agree. I don't think it matters who owns the deer. If we can't use rifles because of safety issues, then why is okay if Joe Bob owns the deer and not the state? Doesn't seem quite right to me.

 

[JNRBRONC]

I hate to play the devil's advocate

but if we continue this line of reason, that the state is too heavily populated ( by people) to safely hunt deer with a rifle, then when would it be safe to fire a high power rifle in Iowa?
On the private reserve, they can control the number of hunters (God save those who live adjacent to the preserve). I have hunted public ground in Iowa during the shotgun season and it was scarey enough with shotguns, let alone HP rifles. I would guess that the number of hunters afield during the shotgun season is why the DNR prohibits HP use.
Then you have the drivers/standers method of hunting used during gun season. This adds danger (IMHO) to deer hunting regardless of weapon. The DNR is maybe trying to protect gun deer hunters from themselves.

 

[teeroy]

so....i just add a few barbs to my fences, limit the amount of hunters, and NOW i am above the game laws of the state. got it

 

[Limb Chicken]

teeroy,
To answer your question as to whether you are above the laws of the state...if you take the proper steps to be classified as a game preserve than I guess the answer is yes but you are following the state laws not above them. I think you are confusing liscensed game preserves with hunting on private or public property.

I don't think anyone is defending this but it is the way the law is written. If you want to take it further why does Iowa City allow sharp shooters that use rifles with silencers (both illegal in Iowa)?

 

[Shredder]

Re: why do outfitters have their own set of rules?

Teeroy, I am sure they would let you do that but......you have to meet high fence standards and the real catcher, the DNR estimates the number of deer in the "enclosure" and then you purchase each deer from the state.

 

[moosehunter]

Re: why do outfitters have their own set of rules?

liscensed game preserves and outfitters are two different things. there are many hoops the state has in place to jump through to be a game preserve. it's not an easy thing to get. otherwise you probably see alot more of them. because they are a "private game preserve" and purchase their own game they do have different laws that apply.

 

[bowmaker]

Re: why do outfitters have their own set of rules?

I guess that I dont have a problem with game presurves having different seasons and bag limits, but I think the method of take should be consistent state wide. If current laws don't regulate this then presurve hunters could use full auto weapons, posion arrows, or even land mines. I know that sounds a little out there but I don't know what the law says about weapon limitations.