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I think the picture tells a very sad story....

Last year I had a stand stolen on my private property.

So I removed stands before shotgun season.

Decided I would try and keep people from stealing another stand. So I hung a orange vest, and a hat in a tree. Thinking this might keep people out....

This is what I get..... I think it says alot about the type of people out there. I was taught to never point a gun at something unless you plan on shooting it.
Even though there was no body inside this orange. It disturbes me.
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....good thing you weren't wearing antlers...
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no doubt this was intentional, someone sending a return message of what they thought of your vest/hat scarecrow...next time set up trailcam...that might catch them in the act...
 
If I were you, I would put another hat out there next year and put up a couple of camtrackers and see if you can get a picture of who's doing it. 1 picture to the DNR should take care of alot.

Some people are really stupid.
 
Not sure about you, but I'd do more than set up a camtrakker. If they found it, they'd probably steal it, or put a bullet through that too.

I'd take this one to law enforcement or set up something next year so your property has supervision.
 
SCARY.Really makes you wonder as a person what type of people we have hunting and modeling the sport to the next generation.With so little regard to peoples property what respect do you think they show to the animal they pursue?This will help me to reenforce respect to my son while we hunt together.
 
As much as I hate to say it. (in fear of offending a respectful shotguner) I don't find this surprising at all. Infact it's typical from what I've seen. Unfortunately, shotgun season has a high percentage of one season, one game, one time a year hunters that don't seem to understand that the type of fun you have with the boyz in the bar and the fun of hunting are suppose to be different.
I hear alot of hunting stories from shotguners that make me shake me head. Others make me confrontational! From little things like going out and shooting a deer then spending the rest of the day driving around looking for someone who wants it, to gut shots, leg shots ect. The spray and pray method seems to be very popular with shotgunning. It's very telling when you look at a groups game pole. Not at whats hanging, look at the holes, where are they? In the vitals, far to ofter they are not.
I think the vast majority of shotgun hunters will shoot beyond there capability. Worse yet, if the deer did'nt fall over in sight they will assume they missed, not bothering to walk up the hill to check for blood. I remember hearing a guy get dogged because he did'nt shoot at a deer far off in the distance. "Why did'nt you shoot! THAT WAS A BUCK!". "I did'nt think I could hit it" won't get much milage from the rest of the group at beer-thirty. To bad.
 
I really wish I could change behavior like this because it stereotypes shotgun hunters, like myself, as a bunch of hillbilly jackasses.
These people need a serious ass chewing, but just like hunting itself they will probably never get it.

Bob
 
I just don't get it. I have had more run ins and complaints about shotgun hunters this year than ever before. Two times this year i had to tell shotgun hunters to leave because they were tresspassing and two times i got the ass chewing. HHMM!! Let's see in both incidents the hunters were the ones breaking the law, but i get chewed out for telling them to leave.
It just don't make sense. I'm not saying that every shotgun hunter is bad, but i tell you what, my past experiences with bad shotgun hunters far out wieghs my experiences with the good shotgun hunters. Is this shotgun hunting thing getting better or worse? Were does it end and what is to become of it?
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I know a lot of shotgun hunters who are great people, show respect for other hunters, landowners, wildlife and hunting regulations.

I also hear stories about the opposite end of the spectrum and that sounds like the end you are dealing with. I'm with wisco kid. This is a situation for law enforcement.

I would talk to both the county sheriff and your local conservation officers. Let them know what you are dealing with. Learn if they have any suggestions or suspects. Give them a call again next year just before shotgun season as a reminder to be on the lookout.

I would also strongly consider putting out trail cameras, flash off, and well concealed. You may or may not want to put up signs warning of remote suveillance. Maybe put the signs up if you don't put the cameras out and don't put the signs up if you do put the cameras out.

Also talk to your neighbors so they know what is going on. Hopefully you have decent people for neighbors and they are not the ones causing the problem.

See if you can get the names of people who hunted the area this year. Also see if your neighbors will keep a list of people they give permission to hunt next year. If people hunting are unwilling to give the names of the hunters in the group it is a pretty good clue what kind of behavior you can expect.

Anyone still wondering why it is harder and harder to find a good place to hunt?
 
And here I've been led to believe all along that the biggest problem we Iowa hunters are faced with are non-resident trophy hunters! Seriously folks, the problems we have with trespassers and unethical hunters, such as we are reading about above, most likely have a much larger impact on our quality hunting than worrying about selling a few more non-resident tags or letting non-resident landowners get tags to hunt their own property. We need to start cracking down on our own fellow Iowa residents who are breaking the law in addition to being concerned about the non-residents. A friend of mine (Iowa resident) who owns property in the northeast has continual problems with trespassing and stolen tree stands, all being done by locals. He even had his gate torn down this shotgun season after finding locals trespassing on his place and running them off.
 
I actualy live within 4 miles of this ground, So you would think I would not have problems like this....
I go out there, or drive by at least once a day, as well as have friends that go by on there way to work. They keep me posted if they see anything.

The only years I have had this ground and not had problems was when I bought a landowners tag for shotgun season, Then I was on it.

I don't want to have to get to the point like a neighbor of mine who has to patrol.... I have other things I like to do.

I do let a few people go throught there and shotgun hunt. So it's not like I am ass hole. But, when this hapens, you don't want anyone coming on. And that is what these groups need to learn.
A few people can make a bad reputation. for any group out there, and I am the first to say that we can't be like that. But, I also know how people get those attitudes now....

I stand hunt and thought I would see what these drives would produce. Also I had just moved here and had never expeirance this type of hunting.

I had couple bucks seen the first day, I thought out of range. That was it for bucks.

All I saw after that was orange, at least once a day. I decided to get landowners bow, alot less people, and more deer.

I think the end of hunting will be brought on by the hunters themselves, rather then the Animal Rights groups.
That is what we need to think about....
 
Precisely the reason I quit gun hunting, some people has no regard for the sport or private property and have less common sense that a day old possum.

A couple of years ago, I was hunting in NE Missouri during thier rifle season and watched a tresspasser cross the barbed wire fence about 400-500 yards away from me onto the property I was hunting. (this was the same guy I had run off the year before) Anyways, he sees me in my stand from around 300 yards out and decides to use his rifle scope as a spotting scope to see who I am. A few short minutes later, a few knots on his head, and me destorying his prized 30-06, I decided the gun hunting was more stressful than my job and went strictly to bowhunting.

It has been three years since that incident and still cannot bring myself to gun hunt due to the nature of some folks I have to share the woods with. To be sure you have a safe trip afield in future years to come, I would try as hard as I could to find who or what party was responsible for murdering your hat

Shredder220
 
I checked another property I had a couple stands on last Tuesday.....Wanting to make sure everything was O.K. before my brother came up for Late Muzzleloader season.

First stand we checked was stolen....... The next one we went to, although it was still there, it was not in the best the shape.

Looked like someone either pushed agaist the ladder with a 4-wheeler, or took turns kicking the ladder till they bent it back agaist the tree.

Neither of these were locked.

That is one stand a year for shotgun season.
 
Returned this weekend for the first time since November to my beloved 80 acre Iowa bowhunting place. Had removed both of my stands but left the steps. That was a mistake. No big deal really Im out about forty bucks on that. What was more disturbing was the mess left by the shotgunners. Beer cans, shell boxes,soda cups, and three dead does right at the entrance. The place is owned by a real prince of an old guy who lives in town. He lets anyone hunt and the locals all know it. This is the thanks he gets! Anyway I cleaned up the mess and had a nice hunt Sat evening. What are these guys thinking? I'm thankful for the comments made by johnv. You guys have got some fish to fry besides us NRs.
 
I've said it before many times, and will say it again many times, " We need to police our own ranks" We can not depend on the low staffed DNR to be everywhere at once. If someone breaking the law chews your ass then chew back harder!

I had two vehicles open a gate not 50 yds from my house, drive past a No Tresspassing sign within 10yds of my house, across the dam on my pond un noticed in the early morning, but caught in the return. When confronted they claimed not to see my 2400 sq ft White house. I'll tell you what, all four of the guys got an ass chewing that they will never forget. I knew I could get mad but I would like to have it videoed for later training.

CH
 
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