Field peas

[dbltree]

Re: Field peas - Fall peas -Late November

Originally Posted By: Saskguy
I think you'd have been PLEASANTLY surprised how hard they hit them if they'd have had a chance to make peas and then mature.

I'm going to keep working on it but I need to work on the right planting dates that will allow time to flower.

Our growing season is so much longer then yours that I don't think spring planting will work, although I may try it again.

I'll try an early July planting next year and see what happens. This is a qoute ftom some SE Iowa growers who have been growing it for hog feed.

Iowa State University (ISU) Extension Crop Specialist Jim Fawcett and ISU Extension Swine Specialist Tom Miller are currently studying the economic feasibility of growing field peas in southeast Iowa.

“We are trying to double-crop peas after a crop of wheat,” Miller explains. “We harvest the wheat crop around July 1, then come in and plant field peas.”

If all goes as planned, the peas should be done flowering by the end of September and be ripe before a killing frost. Miller believes the growing season is normally long enough, but weather conditions conspired against him in 2004.

“We didn't get them planted until the end of July, and then we were further slowed down by August temperatures that were 6.5 degrees below normal,” Miller adds. “They ended up getting nipped by an early killing frost Oct. 2. We chalked the year up to experience, but feel we could have raised decent peas if we could have gotten them in earlier.”

I tried to wait until mid August and it just wasn't enough time especially when coupled with the heavy grazing.

Field peas are normally assigned a crude protein value of 23.4%. However, protein content can range from 15.5% to 39.7%, depending on the variety.

Peas are very digestable while soybeans are not unless processed so it's no wonder deer love them up your way.

 

[bowhuntr311]

So Dbltree? Whats your plan with peas this year?

It would appear after reading all of the thread that they "dry down" on their own regardless of frost, just after maturity?
The reason I ask, is Im thinking my growing season may be just a bit too long? Im worried planting early May and killing frost in late Sept, may be too long? What do you think? Ive pretty much ruled out a summer planting, due to temps and moisture issues. I read where Karre said they cant be too mature, but Im thinking they are going to be dead by october.

Thanks

 

[dbltree]

Whats your plan with peas this year?

I'm going to plant some in July this year but your right, they will dry down just like soybeans.

Planting peas for forage and planting them for "grain" is two different things and require different planting timing.

I'm shooting for dry peas that will be on dead dry plants in the fall but I will also plant forage peas in late August with field rye.

The key with field peas is to plant so they will flower during cool weather and late May may be fine in your area?

dry peas are spring-seeded; optimal planting dates range
from mid-March to mid-May when soil temperatures are above 40 degrees F (4 degrees C). In most years, delayed planting lowers quality and seed yield. Dry peas are adapted to grow during the cool season when evapo-transpiration is minimal.​

 

[chokepoint]

I was surprised to see some fields here tonight with peas in them. I have never seen them before. The farms here are diary farms so I assume them are for cattle feed. I don't know how they use them, whether as silage or what. The fields are near a busy highway. They are knee high and I saw no pods just flowers.

How will deer react to peas? Will they hit them harder than soybeans which are here as well?

 

[dbltree]

I was surprised to see some fields here tonight with peas in them. I have never seen them before. The farms here are diary farms so I assume them are for cattle feed. I don't know how they use them, whether as silage or what. The fields are near a busy highway. They are knee high and I saw no pods just flowers.

How will deer react to peas? Will they hit them harder than soybeans which are here as well?

Generally deer will feed on young growing peas just like soybeans and then when they mature, they'll feed on the dried peas just like dried soybeans.

Many dairymen harvest the pea plants in the form of silage or bale it for hay.

Here in Iowa, the best bet is to plant field peas in mid July so that they will flower during cool fall weather. The peas will eventually dry down and deer will feed on those during hunting season.

Austrian Winter Peas are often used for forage and grazing and those are better off planted in late August with rye and oats. Deer will lap them up like candy but severe cold weather will kill them whereas the field peas can continue to feed into the late season via the dried peas.

Field peas are often double cropped behind wheat as soon as it has been combined and that time frame is fast approaching so I'll be planting mine soon.

 

[chokepoint]

Generally deer will feed on young growing peas just like soybeans and then when they mature, they'll feed on the dried peas just like dried soybeans.

Many dairymen harvest the pea plants in the form of silage or bale it for hay.

Thanks for the info. Any idea how much the cost per acre for peas is?

 

[dbltree]

Thanks for the info. Any idea how much the cost per acre for peas is?

Sow at roughly 100-120#'s per acre alone, or slightly less with some oats added so about $45 an acre for seed.

4010 Field peas

Fertilizer requirements are minimal

Field Pea Fertility Requirements

Nitrogen

Nitrogen fertilizer generally not required
Peas are an efficient N-fixing legume
Do inoculate seed with proper Rhizobia strain
Inoculant cost of $1.00 to $3.00/acre
Peas are very sensitive to fertilizer salts. Use up to 40 lb/acre of 11-52-0 (MAP), but not DAP or any other fertilizer with the seed.
Avoid high N fields or N fertilizer rates because of reduced N fixation, and delay pod set and maturity.
Cool/dry conditions can slow or even prevent nodulation.
Soil at time of seeding should have 20-30 pounds of N in top 12 inches

PROPER INOCULATION OF LEGUMES

Use the proper rhizobial strain
Iinoculants are sensitive to heat
Always store inoculants in cool areas
After inocculum application, plant within 3-4 days. If seed is treated with bacteriacides, fungicides, plant immediately.
Most seed treatments are toxic to inoculum
Use a "sticker" to bind inoculant to seed a diluted milk or sugar water solution is common
There are many other types and self-sticking inoculants
Some stickers provide nutrients to rhizobia

Other Nutrients:

Adequate phosphorus (P) availability important
If soil test equals medium level
* add 15 to 20 lbs/acre P<SUB>2</SUB>O<SUB>5
</SUB>A starter of 15 lbs suggested by some (2X2 placement except in pea and lentil)

Sulfur
* high yield potential, add 15 lb/acre of SO<SUB>4 </SUB>to lower testing soils.
Zinc
Peas are not sensitive to Zinc

 

[dangibbs1]

Is 2,4 D able to be used on field peas or will it kill them. I know select will work on the grasses, just wondering about broadleaves.
I am close to you lickcreek and am thinking about planting 2 acres in fieldpeas this year. Do you still think the middle of July is the time to plant?

 

[dangibbs1]

One more thing I was planning on planting them by themselves. We will have plenty of grains, beans, clover and other things nearby.

 

[dbltree]

Is 2,4 D able to be used on field peas or will it kill them. I know select will work on the grasses, just wondering about broadleaves.
I am close to you lickcreek and am thinking about planting 2 acres in fieldpeas this year. Do you still think the middle of July is the time to plant?

2-4D will KILL peas!! Don't not use 2-4D on any broadleaf!

Select(clethodim) is safe to kill all grases in just about any broadleaf plant.

I am going to plant my field peas today or tomorow (I expect my seed to arrive sometime today)

Don't forget to inoculate the pea seed and even though peas are legumes some starte nitrogen is reccomended if the soil is poor.

I'm going to use 200#'s of triple 13 on my peas

You don't need to add any other seeds although Ilike to add oats to help shade out broadleave weeds and give the peas something to climb on.

 

[dbltree]

I planted my peas on July 9th 2009 and the soil was barely dry enough to plant! I sowed the peas quite heavily at upwards of 120#'s per acre and then some. I also fertilized and included some urea despite the fact peas are legumes just to make sure there was enough N in the soil to get them off to a quick start.

I planted LC6040 peas known more for forage then dry pea production LC6040 versus Trapper peas

and 4010 peas from Welter Seed also commonly used with oats to make silage for dairy cattle. 4010 Pea Source

I inoculated the seed with pea and vetch inoculate from Welters

Make sure you keep the inoculate cool as heat will kill it! I use a small insulated cooler with some ice pacs in it.

The peas look like this

I also take a little water and moisten the seed to get the inoculate to stick leaving my hands looking like this...

Peas need to be planted 1-3" deep with deeper being better then shallower, so some places i ran the cultipacker over it first to allow the broadcasted seed to fall into the "furrows"

I added oats to most of it at 50#'s per acre, to both provide forage and stalks for the vining peas to grow on.

If your not using a drill or broadcast spreader, take a long a "dippin cup" to fill your bag seeder...

You can see the oat seed but the peas are nearly impossible to see as they are "dirt" colored.

I fertilized with 200#'s or 6-28-28 and about 50#'s of urea

I then tilled the seed and fertilizer in to roughly an inch or two depth and pulled the cultipacker behind to cover and firm soil.

Peas require 60 days to bloom and 100 days to mature the dry seed so planting the first part of July should be enough time before our first avegrage frosts in mid October here in SE Iowa.

Peas need to bloom during cool weather so the timing should be perfect by mid September.

As with may food plots, all kinds of things can happen including being decimated by deer or extreme drought but so far in past years the peas have been able to withstand heavy grazing far better then soybeans.

Spring planted peas that are plowed down green for the next crop can fix 130-200#'s of free nitrogen and can be planted in late March to early April for that purpose.

The 4010 peas were only $21 for 50#'s so at a 100#'s per acre, costs are roughly the same as soybean seed, but they can fix nearly 5 times as much N per acre!!

I planted some peas alone, some with no fertilizer and planted 6 different plots adjacent to strips of alfalfa, clover and soybeans and in a few weeks brassicas.

Stay tuned...

Albert Lea Seed - Pea seed source

 

[risto2351]

Dbl.

I was planning on planting some oats with forage peas around the latter part of
August. Is this to late?

 

[dbltree]

Dbl.

I was planning on planting some oats with forage peas around the latter part of
August. Is this to late?

For forage no, that's the proper time to plant...this planting is for peas, dried peas just like dried soybeans.

They will certainly forage on the peas just exactly like soybeans but if all goes well they will end up with dried peas to feed on well into the late season, time will tell if they make it that long.

I will also include forage peas in with my cereal grain plantings in late August, which will be like candy in October...

 

[dangibbs1]

Any updates on your peas. I am just a few miles from you and planted mine yesterday. Just curious what your's are looking like.

 

[dbltree]

Any updates on your peas. I am just a few miles from you and planted mine yesterday. Just curious what your's are looking like.

I know this may come as a suprise but...just so happens I had a camera with me yesterday...

Exactly 2 weeks old and looking good!

So far deer have only nibbled at a few here and there (unlike my soybeans which they have murdered!)

The peas are good color and growing well so far!:way:

 

[dangibbs1]

Would it be possible to do a soybeans in spring of one year then a soilbuilder seed in the following spring and then peas in the end of July. It would seem that the peas are similar to beans and don't know about rotating one to the other each year. Any thoughts on this?

 

[dbltree]

Would it be possible to do a soybeans in spring of one year then a soilbuilder seed in the following spring and then peas in the end of July. It would seem that the peas are similar to beans and don't know about rotating one to the other each year. Any thoughts on this?

I'm not aware of any disease or pest issues that would cause a problem with planting these to crops back to back. Because they are legumes a crop of buckwheat could be planted in late spring (late May to early June) that could then be tilled under for a July planting of field peas.

Great idea!:way:

 

[Baranx4]

Is 2-4db safe on field peas? It lists just about every legume but the label doesn't mention field peas.

 

[nannyslayer]

Is 2-4db safe on field peas? It lists just about every legume but the label doesn't mention field peas.

Pea's are pretty sensitvie, so I would avoid it.

24D B has the effect to burn alot of legumes, and with the pea's being so sensitive to herbicides, I wouldn't try it.

 

[Baranx4]

Pea's are pretty sensitvie, so I would avoid it.

24D B has the effect to burn alot of legumes, and with the pea's being so sensitive to herbicides, I wouldn't try it.

Thanks, I was thinking of doing a soybean and field peas mixed plot this coming weekend and some brassicas elseware. This year has been so wet here that early plantings never happened and those that did locally aren't growing since it's been so cool and wet with almost all the fertilizer put down has been washed away. On top of that there was a very late frost locally that killed most of the blossums so there's little apples if any apples. We have an orchard that's been wipped out with about 95% of the trees not having any fruit. It's almost August and we have't had a single day above 87 degrees.