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bkcrrtnps

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I'll take it on the chin but was interested to read some of the comments and views on this. How do you feel about realtors/real estate companies leasing up 100's to 1000's of acres then basically outfitting them? I have no problem with leasing by any means as I have leased ground since moving to Iowa so I would have some ground I could control the hunting on. I feel like realtors using the seller/realtor privilege to do this are on the fence of being of unethical.....kinda like insider trading. I am not calling out any one specific individual or company but it seems to be happening more often and on a much larger scale now. These "outfitters" are driving everyone else out as they can pay much more per acre to lease than the average guy who has to work overtime just to get a small property.
 
This is just one of the things I don't like about the direction hunting is headed and will be the main reason hunter numbers continue to dwindle.

As far as realtors playing in the leasing game I don't know what you're going to do about it. They're out in the field making contacts and learning the area. They have a leg up on most others. For most it falls under a guy "just trying to make a buck."

Where I could really see it getting dirty is when an agent gets to know a property he sells and then after closing the sale they use the info they've learned, possibly even trail cam pics, to arrange leases on neighboring and often less attractive properties. I often see leases like this where it's the neighboring property that has all the cover and the lease has a couple fence rows or fingers that connect to the good stuff.
 
I know a company out of Omaha that handles farm leases, when they handle your land they also encourage you to lease anything you have for hunting and fishing. I know a guy thats getting 2500 dollars for a farm pond lease for fishing and 10 acres of timber (if that) and people actually pay it ! Deer hunting has become such a big buck butt hurt about who has permission here and who leases this and only shoot mature deer its starting to loose its touch for me and Im sure others.
 
Above scenario.... Wouldn't sit well with me... At all. Real estate term. NIMBY
not in my back yard.

Pretty much would come down to.... Move your operation or we aren't doing future business. Just the reality of how it would have to be.
 
As a realtor in MN. I would never sell someone a property... then lease out neighbors to someone else.

Leasing and outfitting will drain a client base in a hurry. You might have buyers to work with, but the sellers/landowners catch wind of that.
 
Best thing you can do is call them out on it, make it public knowledge. Every scenario mentioned above is happening...and it is rampant. Pay 4k and acre for ground and have a realtor hunting your fence is poor ethics to the hilt.

Something not mentioned, that is also happening, is that these people are getting tags to hand out to out of state prospects...this is something they can be nailed on. Straight up breaking the law for $$.
 
Not a defense post of realtors by any means but I suspect some of this is a way to create some stability of income versus a totally commission based existance. If an agent or company has a network of contacts, particularly out of state or out of area landowners, they definitely have a "contact" advantage related to leasing the land to create additional income for both the owner and realtor (they know what properties get hunted by owners annually versus which ones do not). I suspect this also comes into play if the realtor has some equipment and can provide some of the annual maintenance type of work like plots, stand maintenance, etc. for the high net worth owner that doesn't have the time to devote to that type of work.

To me, the market of rec real estate companies seems to have hit a saturation point. New rec listings seem to be slowing in pace the past 6 months. I suspect there is fierce competition to differentiate yourself by providing any additional services you can in order to get contacts and/or future listings.

Anything legal, like it or not it a creative entrepreneur will make it happen. Anything illegal, nail em like anybody else.
 
Totally irrelevant but I laugh every time is see these statements "Located near where the world record Albia Buck was shot," "World record albia buck once lived on this property," That deer has been dead what about 15 years. :) Now its the Cornhill road buck. 3 or 4 properties for sale on that stretch of hwy in last year. Ummm $$$$
 
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Totally irrelevant but I laugh every time is see these statements "Located near where the world record Albia Buck was shot," "World record albia buck once lived on this property," That deer has been dead what about 15 years. :) Now its the Cornhill road buck. 3 or 4 properties for sale on that stretch of hwy in last year. Ummm $$$$
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Not incredibly irrelevant. I don't think there's a ton of honesty in a lot of "hunting ground" listings. I'd rather buy a place that has had 30 little bucks a year shot off it because I know it holds deer and can be managed, vs a place that someone saw a 200" deer on once.

Do you suppose some of those realtors get to hunt their listings? That'd be interesting
 
I like how you left names and companies out of this. I have a feeling that's a better approach and more appropriate. Very good.
In general, my feelings are reasonably simple. The companies have a right to do this, if they are not breaking the laws, so-be-it. But, I will suspect it ends up coming to bite them in the rear end and they either lose business or go out of business from it. The two are not compatible. Market will dictate how it's resolved and enough people, like any "product" or "review on them" will talk and word of mouth "reviews" of such companies doing both will direct buyers to make decisions based on these things that go on. Market will resolve itself. Any illegal activity of course would and should be reported but, it appears a business issue that I've heard some companies being involved in and that's their option to do. It is also my option who I will do business with. The end of the day, it's my right and decision to not do business with companies doing these types of things. Many companies do not do this and I applaud that.
 
I have yet to see a "land specialist" show up to a showing or drive around with there brand plastered to the side of a Ford escape, or a cavalier. I think they do ok on commission. I am pretty sure I have had the misfortune of seeing shows on TV where a buck is killed and land toured then at the end it's gives you contacts to inquire on purchasing. No body is a realtor to "make dreams come true"
 
mplane72 said:
This is just one of the things I don't like about the direction hunting is headed and will be the main reason hunter numbers continue to dwindle.

As far as realtors playing in the leasing game I don't know what you're going to do about it. They're out in the field making contacts and learning the area. They have a leg up on most others. For most it falls under a guy "just trying to make a buck."

Where I could really see it getting dirty is when an agent gets to know a property he sells and then after closing the sale they use the info they've learned, possibly even trail cam pics, to arrange leases on neighboring and often less attractive properties. I often see leases like this where it's the neighboring property that has all the cover and the lease has a couple fence rows or fingers that connect to the good stuff.
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Absolutely they do it frequently!!
 
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Not incredibly irrelevant. I don't think there's a ton of honesty in a lot of "hunting ground" listings. I'd rather buy a place that has had 30 little bucks a year shot off it because I know it holds deer and can be managed, vs a place that someone saw a 200" deer on once.

Do you suppose some of those realtors get to hunt their listings? That'd be interesting
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Whitetail properties people do and use it as a way to advertise the property when the hunt airs on TV....FACT!
 
westpointhunter said:
Best thing you can do is call them out on it, make it public knowledge. Every scenario mentioned above is happening...and it is rampant. Pay 4k and acre for ground and have a realtor hunting your fence is poor ethics to the hilt.

Something not mentioned, that is also happening, is that these people are getting tags to hand out to out of state prospects...this is something they can be nailed on. Straight up breaking the law for $$.
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You cant call them out or they get butt hurt like a liberal and the post gets deleted like the last one! They don't want everyone knowing what they do...it's like advertising ground or telling someone you can get them $6,000/acre in Decatur county for pasture ground. It has become a ruthless, cutthroat, unethical business on most accounts! I was part of the leasing side of things for a while and couldn't stand it so I got out, the leasing companies are 100% about $$ and could give a crap less about the hunter or the farmer!! Real estate agents are quickly becoming or are already that way.
 
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What’s even better is when they sell property X advertising it as booner alley with pics that didn’t even come from it and forget to mention they lease the farm beside it and run clients through it killing every 120” they see. I can show you these examples anytime but I sell a farm on average every 11 days
 
As far as the company’s mentioned in the original post I am surprised that they mess with the guiding as the commission on 1 or 2 big sales would far exceed the profit from any type of guiding operation.
I also think the progression works the opposite way ,meaning some one has a Outfitting or Land Management business and then gets into real estate as they already have the connections. This is another example of why the NR tags need to be kept at the current level or the leasing/selling will escalate out of control.
It also seems like some of the real estate company’s that advertise to manage hunting leases are more farm management company’s not “Hunting land Specialist” just wanting to provide a service to get there foot in the door hoping to list it for a future sale
 
I think their gravy money is in selling farms. I think their more consistent income comes from leasing and outfitting. If they had to pick one or the other, I’m sure they would just sell land. I’m sure land is slowing down now so they’re taking outfitting a little more serious and I’m willing to bet they’ll be pretty aggressive with it if they have to choose selling hunts or going out of business
 
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