Sometime seems like trees can take so looong to produce. My intention here is to pass on some of my learning experiences and also gather from others. When I started planting a bunch of stuff I didn't have or take time to cage them all. Ones I didn't cage seemed like they were stunted all the time, put a camera on them every deer that walked by it took a bite, take TIME to do it right. Planting more may not always be the answer if you don't have the TIME do it right. 2013 I planted some 2-year-old persimmons that started producing in 2018 and also planted some 2-year-old chestnuts that started producing in 2019. I also built a quaint little greenhouse that has helped me tremendously in growing trees from nuts. I have chestnuts and crab apples that are both over 24" tall that started from nuts this spring. So if you have not found TIME to start I encourage you to do so, and ones who have keep plugging away. Looking forward to hearing from others. I'll try to get some pictures saying file is too large to download.