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Slick

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Beware the inverted yield curve. It has a really good track record for predicting economic recessions. I'll be curious to see how everyone feels about Trump and his inconsequential personality if/when we enter into another recession.
I would be the first to say when I voted for him in 2016 I did not know what we were going to get. That said I could not be more happy with what he has done. Mainly for taking on China and renegotiating the Mexico/US/Canada trade deal. Yes a recession will come at some point it can't be great for ever but that is only one part of the puzzle. If he continues to tackle immigration, build the military, take a position of strength in the world theater, decrease red tape, and put America first I will not abandon him regardless of the economy.
 

madplotter

PMA Member
Honest? Oh, you aren't joking... They're ALL liars. Trump just isn't as politically cunning and polished at concealing his lies as the typical career politicians are that we've all become accustomed to.

I agree with most of what you're saying here, however I personally want my presidents and presidential candidates to have a high level of personal integrity and morality, which I believe Trump, and most other modern day candidates, severely lack. It shouldn't be too much for us to require both.

I think you could change that to all people tell lies, be it from memory lapse, mis-information, mis-speak, or just flat out lies. The difference, we just don't have millions of people hanging on our every word. As far as an honest president, no one would vote for a truly honest president and people who achieve that level in life do not get there by accident so honesty is a gray area. A truly honest president will tell you just a few items:

1. taxes are going to increase
2. the only way to cut the deficit and eventually the debt, raise taxes and cut services.
3. their main concern is to get re-elected.
4. the only reason we have military bases and relationships with other countries is because we pay them money.
5. illegal immigration is in fact a criminal offense and we must build a wall and enforce penalties to the max.
6. other countries would destroy our nation and consume our resources if we have weak leadership for too many years.

As a voter and a citizen it is our job to elect someone who puts our country first, uses the oval office as a bully pulpit, and takes no crap off anyone. Make no mistake, current elections are not about who's telling the truth or who's popular it's about erasing 32 years of weak leadership and fighting the globalist elites who hate us and our way of life. It is about keeping the SCOTUS right of center. It is about replacing the federal judges with people who believe in our way of life and the list goes on. Trump is our guy for this reason. He's not perfect but he has the brash nature to do these very things.

As far as always "telling the truth", it is reasonable for us to use some common sense to decipher the political talk from literal. Few things in adult life are black and white.

One of my favorite political commentaries to this point...Why George H told us to "read his lips" was because he was lying out his ass...

My 2 cents...
 
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Sligh1

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Some of the comments are funny...."he can see his Dad's house in Russia from Alaska" LOL

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Go read comments about HUNTING on any left leaning outlet..... not all but a vast majority hate hunters. Despise them. “Wish the animal could hunt them”. “Sick men need to kill animals to be fulfilled in life”. “I wish every person’s hunting partner was Dick Cheney” be 3 of a gazillion examples. Read any comments from left leaning sites & realize how much they despise what I believe is one of the healthiest, wholesome & conservation minded activities that goes on in the world.
On flip side- calling a spade a spade- I am thankful the left leaning politicians in Iowa, uniquely, seem to be supportive of hunting & our tradition. It’s a bizarre dichotomy.
 

Jbohn

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Sorry Just saving us 8th grade edjamucated peopel time..

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Baby-G

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POLITICS is dirty & slimy. Most of em have serious flaws. The system is a mess. Both sides have vast amounts of dirt, slime & corruption. We probably all agree with that?
These are all MEN & WOMEN... flawed human beings. Flawed for sure- to varying degrees- I’ll leave that part up to God. I’m not here to judge their souls. After we understand they are human and in POLITICS- I put them in 2 groups.....
1) polished robots that cover up there flaws, rehearse what folks wanna hear, hide their shady issues/dealings & focus on “what does the public want to see and hear?” - EXECUTE that. You don’t know much of their core or why they do what they do. they may have some core positions but They are political robots. Poll tested, scripted and bought & paid for!

2) also flawed folks..... but politicians who are plain spoken OR quick witted & fast on their feet. Or ramble from Topic to topic and go so fast & passionate they don’t have time to filter. Folks without the robotic filters. Folks who say what they really think. This group is far more rare. Yes- I put trump in this group. Downside: dumb or innappropriate things come out. Brash, harsh, hurtful, whatever. Upside: you know what the folks are truly thinking most the time. Trump is maybe best example of “says what he wants, even when it hurts him”. Obama for example was total opposite- slick, robotic & polished speaker but when it came to what he really thought or the job he did - eaahhhh. Yikes. & even he had some nasty gaffes & horrible parts of his history. That’s being human. I got sick of robots or ineffective slick politicians who didn’t do what they said. I see opposite of that in trump.

IMHO- the flaws as a man...... god has countless examples of using greatly flawed humans to do great things. I personally don’t care about his past as a top tier issue- everyone has personal issues and this is for a GOVERNMENT leader- not your Pastour or priest. His job is to fix GOVERNMENT, not to spend time with you and your family. He’s a flawed man. Which ones weren’t? It’s sick but what most consider “great presidents” had huge personal issues...., adulterers- Clinton, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, etc, etc. Liars: every president in our history and every human on this earth. Sinners: everyone of em and every one of us.
on flip side- with everyone being deeply flawed - who did a great job for our country????? Bush? IMHO- NO! Obama??? IMHO- heck no!! Clinton? Eah, not really. REGAN- oh yeah!!!!! Carter? OMG no (& Carter probably has cleanest personal life of any president in 100 years & he was a HORRIBLE president!). On and on - very few did great things. Love or hate him politically or love or hate him Personally- to the nation it doesn’t matter a bit.... he’s done a lot and a done far more than anyone since Regan. The man can work & fights like nothing I’ve seen In my lifetime. Main question- does he love this country and does he fight for it daily with all he has?? Absolutely yes!!!! IMHO. Those are the tests & questions I care about.

He has awesome personal things though!!!! Amazing family- that are hunters!!!!! Not trying to get rich from office, not bought & paid for!!! (That alone cripples & corrupts most elected officials). He’s got more energy & drive than probably any president. Results driven. He’s funny & great sense of humor. Knows business, etc etc etc.

He’s fixing the things I care about & so many others. His personal side good or bad is .0001% compared to what he does for this country. & that list is incredible - things I care about: 200k vets now able to get private care, 180 federal judges, lowest unemployment rate & highest stock market in history, too many pro-life advancements to go through, breaking left wing biased media, freeing our soldiers hands in combat, advancing trade deficits, new & better trade agreements, net energy producer & exporter, border wall going up & fought for, etc etc.

There’s some things I don’t like but I also know he can’t fix it all in 3 years (I don’t like deficit- That’s maybe #1).
He’s doing a dang good job and way way way better than every nay-sayer predicted!!!

This next election will be decided by RESULTS & that’s why I’m Trump 2020.


*again- respect all points of view. Don’t need a pissing match or things going off the rails. We all understand politics is tough, dirty, personal and a hot topic. I respect all people regardless of their views and again- we need all sides of isle to fight for the outdoors in iowa!!!!
I agree Buddy!!
 

Obsessed

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With as much crazy crap is going on right now with the Covid-19, stupid mask requirements, and the idiotic BLM riots, etc. I just wanted to provide a followup to my previous statements about Trump. Thank God he's our sitting POTUS and I pray to God that he wins again in 2020. Creepy Joe Biden and the rest of the Socialist tyrants will destroy this country. I am looking beyond Trumps character and solely focusing on his presidential action. I didn't agree with him when he didn't go in and wipe out CHOP in Seattle, but now I recognize that he did the right thing by not taking the bait. It would have been a modern day Kent State, and would have ended Trump's presidency. So, in short, I apologize for hicking a hornets nest on this one. Trump has my 100% support and I'm probably going to be sticking Trump/Pence 2020 signs along the roadway in front of my house very soon.
 

Jdubs

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9376A769-77DC-4014-A40D-0232338EF1F9.jpeg Obsessed, you’re not kicking anything. Great post and I believe there’s a silent majority out there that’s had enough. Time to speak up. The BLM stuff is a diversion of the real intent. It’s to transform this nation into a socialistic welfare state and to give the appearance of chaos under Trump. It’s well funded and on purpose from the left. Noooo. This country was built on opportunity, not guarantees and handouts. Speak up brother. Many agree.
 
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tremperje

Member
Can anyone tell me why the National Debt isn't of concern anymore? It seemed to be a huge deal over the last say 25 years but for some reason, we no longer care. And its now 24 trillion. I would like to hear both sides explain how and what we're going to do about that. At some point, the weight of this debt is going to crush this country
 

meyeri

PMA Member
Can anyone tell me why the National Debt isn't of concern anymore? It seemed to be a huge deal over the last say 25 years but for some reason, we no longer care. And its now 24 trillion. I would like to hear both sides explain how and what we're going to do about that. At some point, the weight of this debt is going to crush this country
I agree, the national debt is ridiculous. I'm more libertarian than anything, so start slashing government programs and trimming the fat. Our govt. is wayyy to big and inefficient at the federal, state and local levels. Everybody in office now thinks the solution is to just keep printing more money and leave it for the next generation. Problem is, most the loud ones in the next generation only care about social issues. It will all come to a screeching halt if we don't start doing something soon.

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Hardwood11

It is going to be a good fall!
Can anyone tell me why the National Debt isn't of concern anymore? It seemed to be a huge deal over the last say 25 years but for some reason, we no longer care. And its now 24 trillion. I would like to hear both sides explain how and what we're going to do about that. At some point, the weight of this debt is going to crush this country

Every time you mention cutting something, one side or the other goes nuts, and we will not vote for you. So it is all based on votes. It is sad, and both sides have done a poor job with debt. Biden has promised 2 trillion to fight global warming, he would end the oil industry/ethanol etc.. so the spending is not going away if he happens to win (which I doubt).
 

hillrunner

PMA Member
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Every time you mention cutting something, one side or the other goes nuts, and we will not vote for you. So it is all based on votes. It is sad, and both sides have done a poor job with debt. Biden has promised 2 trillion to fight global warming, he would end the oil industry/ethanol etc.. so the spending is not going away if he happens to win (which I doubt).

I believe there is a day of reckoning coming over the massive debt of this country and it's citizens. At what point does money become worthless when it just keeps appearing out of thin air? There is nothing real backing any of it. Hyperinflation is a very real threat imo.
 

Slick

Active Member
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I believe there is a day of reckoning coming over the massive debt of this country and it's citizens. At what point does money become worthless when it just keeps appearing out of thin air? There is nothing real backing any of it. Hyperinflation is a very real threat imo.
yep.....u nailed it....revelations tells you what you need to know.....
 
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