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Turkey #’s & one observation….

Sligh1

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Sounds like it’s down almost across the US. IMO or my GUESS…. the biggest reason is fur prices with little to no trapping. Population explosion. We took HUNDREDS of coons off this farm this last year. HUNDREDS. This is what I see all over. Followed by pheasant chicks. If u have cover - which yes, many areas do that are way down in population…. Destroy the coons, possum, etc & they will come. Countless trail cam pics of this. :).
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Hardwood11

It is going to be a good fall!
I think you are spot on Skip. Too many predators! Bird flu wiped a bunch in my area of Minnesota years ago and now they are coming back slowly .

Iowa (Loess Hills) still has a lot of turkeys. Maybe not like the hey days, but good populations.
 
Just got back from a vacation in the U.P. and I was shocked by the number of turkeys in NE WI and in Northern MI. I told my wife I've seen more turkeys up here than in IA and I can't see much further than the ditch in most cases due to all the wooded areas. I talked with one DNR guy and he felt the population in Southern IA was in good shape but I haven't had the same observations. Certianly I don't have a problem seeing racoons after dark on the roads.
 

Sligh1

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Just got back from a vacation in the U.P. and I was shocked by the number of turkeys in NE WI and in Northern MI. I told my wife I've seen more turkeys up here than in IA and I can't see much further than the ditch in most cases due to all the wooded areas. I talked with one DNR guy and he felt the population in Southern IA was in good shape but I haven't had the same observations. Certianly I don't have a problem seeing racoons after dark on the roads.
i have heard of large turkey populations in Northern: MN, WI & MI... doesn't make sense to me other than.... so much vast area of timber it probably increases nesting areas and possibilities??? Kinda shows that hard winters and less food certainly isn't the issue. Interesting observation!!!!
 

Muskrat24

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Conspiracy theorist…. Maybe! But even given the crazy predator populations there is something more going on here. Neonictinoids or disease IDK but here is my thoughts… Our turkey population (I’m in southern Iowa) is in shambles and I will say that the CO mentioned above is blind if he in my area. The significant slide started 10 years ago or so before the predator boom and worthless fur. This is my issue….broods used to average 4 to 8 poults per hen. Now the typical size is a couple poults IF any…. But if predators alone were to blame wouldn’t the broods that do survive be more than two poults? Just my thoughts.
 

Daver

PMA Member
Conspiracy theorist…. Maybe! But even given the crazy predator populations there is something more going on here. Neonictinoids or disease IDK but here is my thoughts… Our turkey population (I’m in southern Iowa) is in shambles and I will say that the CO mentioned above is blind if he in my area. The significant slide started 10 years ago or so before the predator boom and worthless fur. This is my issue….broods used to average 4 to 8 poults per hen. Now the typical size is a couple poults IF any…. But if predators alone were to blame wouldn’t the broods that do survive be more than two poults? Just my thoughts.
I have said it here many times, but I too am probably some sort of turkey conspiracy theorist with you. :) When our turk pop started crashing, about 10'ish years ago too, we commonly found dead, adult turkeys. No raccoon killed as many adults as what we used to find in that day. Yes, once down, an over-population of nest raiders can certainly be a limiter on their recovery...but it didn't kill adult birds in any number.

Total FWIW, I have seen successful broods at my farm this summer now a couple of times, so there is some hope! I also found where an adult bird met its' demise while mowing. I really don't know what got him...I suspect a bobcat, but who knows.
 

Sligh1

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Conspiracy theorist…. Maybe! But even given the crazy predator populations there is something more going on here. Neonictinoids or disease IDK but here is my thoughts… Our turkey population (I’m in southern Iowa) is in shambles and I will say that the CO mentioned above is blind if he in my area. The significant slide started 10 years ago or so before the predator boom and worthless fur. This is my issue….broods used to average 4 to 8 poults per hen. Now the typical size is a couple poults IF any…. But if predators alone were to blame wouldn’t the broods that do survive be more than two poults? Just my thoughts.
Good thinking!!! But- let me play devils advocate…. The insecticides like u mentioned, imidacloprid is probably the one most would refer to…. Have been readily used for 20-30 years. Others which may be worse have been used back in the 60’s & 70’s. If insecticides are a major player- why were there gazillions of turkeys in early 2000’s? Those insecticides are widely used around my farm- which is loaded with turkeys.
Not saying you’re not on to something- just throwing this out there. No doubt there’s multiple things going on. Another one….. bird flu or bird diseases. That’s my gut feeling on other things. Guys spreading chicken & Turkey manure- I’ve heard from multiple sources that spreads disease to wild turkeys and it does make sense.

It’s crazy to see the rise & fall (maybe repeat a few times) of different animals. The pheasant used to be a huge draw to iowa. Dang near vanished and thankfully coming back some. Folks can’t recall that back 70-80 years ago there wasn’t even deer in lowa or very few. Pheasants, BUFFALO, deer, turkeys, quail, whatever - takes a few blunders or changes and they are gone or have significant set backs.
 

Muskrat24

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Good thinking!!! But- let me play devils advocate…. The insecticides like u mentioned, imidacloprid is probably the one most would refer to…. Have been readily used for 20-30 years. Others which may be worse have been used back in the 60’s & 70’s. If insecticides are a major player- why were there gazillions of turkeys in early 2000’s? Those insecticides are widely used around my farm- which is loaded with turkeys.
Not saying you’re not on to something- just throwing this out there. No doubt there’s multiple things going on. Another one….. bird flu or bird diseases. That’s my gut feeling on other things. Guys spreading chicken & Turkey manure- I’ve heard from multiple sources that spreads disease to wild turkeys and it does make sense.

It’s crazy to see the rise & fall (maybe repeat a few times) of different animals. The pheasant used to be a huge draw to iowa. Dang near vanished and thankfully coming back some. Folks can’t recall that back 70-80 years ago there wasn’t even deer in lowa or very few. Pheasants, BUFFALO, deer, turkeys, quail, whatever - takes a few blunders or changes and they are gone or have significant set backs.
Yeah I farm as well and am not sold on the insecticides being the sole culprit but Drurys had Dr Deer on a podcast and that was one of the things they discussed. I am leaning towards a reproductive disease as I mentioned the brood size just isn’t what it needs to be to rebound the population. Too many hens with either no poults or SMALL broods. And I know hens nest in the middle of grass patches (hay fields and CRP) where coons and possums rarely hunt/scavenge. The MO turkey biologist told me a couple years ago that the decline was due to predators have figured out turkeys in the natural cycle of a species reintroduction in an area….. sounds like something read from a textbook……
 

Sligh1

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Planting plots today in vastly different locations- I bet I saw 4 groups like this. Just piles of young turkeys. Not great fliers but they did fly away when I got close. I may have to go from coon eradication to Turkey eradication! ;) EAB18995-2D34-47E2-A149-47B77FC393FB.jpeg
 

Muskrat24

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Planting plots today in vastly different locations- I bet I saw 4 groups like this. Just piles of young turkeys. Not great fliers but they did fly away when I got close. I may have to go from coon eradication to Turkey eradication! ;) View attachment 122962
I just happen to know a guy that can help with that!! Oddly enough I just saw a group of seven poults and one hen. Poults were not much bigger than a quail. Surely a later than normal hatch?
 

Sligh1

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I just happen to know a guy that can help with that!! Oddly enough I just saw a group of seven poults and one hen. Poults were not much bigger than a quail. Surely a later than normal hatch?
Ya. Has to be. Bet a hen renested until it took. The birds I’ve been seeing - flocks of poults…. They all about the size of full grown pheasants. All can fly. Guessing it was the first hatch. I’m a Turkey amateur for sure. But like having turkeys, pheasant and quail even if I don’t hunt them. & my hatred of coons & coyotes seems to be paying off ;)
 
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CurtisWalker

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New info regarding southern Iowa turkeys. Will be an interesting study to follow.


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cybball

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New info regarding southern Iowa turkeys. Will be an interesting study to follow.


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Thanks for sharing. Horrible results from the surveys. So crazy how much poult/next loss was shown to be predation,, which is what I had thought all along. Would be nice to know what it was. Coon, skunks, possums, etc. No one traps anymore and the DNR told me to leave it alone out of season as things will work themselves out. I had 1 hen with 6 poults in the spring. Think about 1-2 of them maybe made it. I really only see 2 hens show up on cams now.
 

Stoney

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Our turkeys numbers have crashed badly. In addition to an explosion in coon numbers, our area has had a similar explosion in bobcats. I see them regularly on my trail cams and I have several photos showing moms with babies. Coyote numbers also seem to be at an all time high. I’m actually surprised there are any turkeys around.
 

Hardwood11

It is going to be a good fall!
Bobcats, coons, possum, coyotes.. I’m sure they all kill turkeys & get the eggs. We also have Fisher in Minnesota and they are stealth killers of turkeys.
 
Guys,
I’m down in Georgia and our turkey population is pathetic compared to what it used to be.

A friend of mine has a buddy who is on the Georgia NWTF board and he said the chicken farmers finally admitted that it was some kind of worm in the chicken poop that was killing the turkeys. I do know in the areas where chicken litter isn’t spread that we still have loads of turkeys.

Another possible culprit…. Black Head disease.

Call me a conspiracy theorist as well.
 
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