Matt. I bought my kids a Mossberg 510 mini 20 gauge. I put a red dot on it and a full choke. We shoot 2 3/4 5 shot and it is one turkey killing machine! I can't believe how good it shoots out to 40 yards! They come with a certificate that when your kids out grow it you send it in and they will turn it into a 500. I think 50% off is the certificate.