Bassattackr
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There will be more of that going on than anything as time goes on. Will get out of hand. Impossible to control too
Spot on - Impossible to control others (lack of) ethics.
There will be more of that going on than anything as time goes on. Will get out of hand. Impossible to control too
No doubt about it. Doubt you’ll get anyone to disagree with ya here.Not to derail the thread here BUT
For the Iowa guys hollering about cell cams and too much hunter success due to them, just wait until Crossguns come to town. Cell cams have basically zero impact on general hunter population success comparatively. A Ravin is 10000000x more devastating than any cell cam, bait or not, ever will be.
If I had to choose in IL, I'd rather have every person get 2 free cell cams with the purchase of a tag (especially if they were Spypoints) than free use of a crossgun all season.
When you say “accurate” you’re probably referencing the deer density part of the info it would give you. Just as interesting to me is where and how the deer are bedding regardless if I have a handful more or less deer than an average day bc of the potential scenarios you describe. On my farm there’s always coyotes around, bobcats too. Would take a pretty unique scenario to drastically affect the numbers on any particular day but youre right it is just a single snapshot in time. And I agree, comparing one year to the next, especially if you do a bunch of habitat work, would definitely be beneficial and enlightening. Winke and Higgins both guessed pretty close to what the survey showed in terms of # of deer on their farm so I think it’s more accurate than you think. Just my opinion.I don’t see how this could be even remotely accurate, way too many variables. I would think you’d need to do this multiple times in different seasons over the course of a few years to truly get a good estimate. What happens if a pack of coyotes or trespassers walk thru the farm before the survey? Or it’s January and you have the only food for miles? Or the opposite, you have none but your neighbor 2 miles away does.
I mean I think it's cool and all, to see how deer would be using a property. And I can see it helping possibly market a farm.
It's just......their taking all of the mystery out of it, people dont have to scout anymore because we got 20 cell cammeras running, when my dad first started taking me hunting it was always a surprise what showed up. It was all part of the hunt. Now it's about making sure there's a mature deer on the farm before someone buys the farm. It's getting so commercialized and having to know every single detail.
Maybe I'm old and grouchy(not even 30) it just seems to me people want to take the fun out of hunting. I like boots on the ground scouting, glassing from a distance taking inventory when the late season comes etc etc etc. In my experience cell's cams only tell a fraction of the story.
Well put 1983.Is your farm holding ample deer?
Do you have enough bedding cover?
Is there enough depth of cover to satisfy mature bucks?
Are deer preferring certain topographic features?
Are deer bedding near food?
Do you need to add more food to get more deer bedding on farm?
I would say a walk thru your property a few days after a fresh snow could show you the same things that a drone could.I think people are missing the intest of the drone survey a bit. It's not a tool to figure out where a mature buck is and go kill him. That doesn't sit with me well.
I view it from a habitat/conservation perspective.
Is your farm holding ample deer?
Do you have enough bedding cover?
Is there enough depth of cover to satisfy mature bucks?
Are deer preferring certain topographic features?
Are deer bedding near food?
Do you need to add more food to get more deer bedding on farm?
Etc etc
I think people are missing the intest of the drone survey a bit. It's not a tool to figure out where a mature buck is and go kill him. That doesn't sit with me well.
I view it from a habitat/conservation perspective.
Is your farm holding ample deer?
Do you have enough bedding cover?
Is there enough depth of cover to satisfy mature bucks?
Are deer preferring certain topographic features?
Are deer bedding near food?
Do you need to add more food to get more deer bedding on farm?
Etc etc
Exactly right. Thats why I’ve said that if it’s after the season is over it feels ok to me. Not trying to use it as a real-time locator of a target buck to go in and try to kill him. In fact I’d love to see the states make any sort of drone usage for management/surveys/data collection unlawful during any open deer season.I think people are missing the intest of the drone survey a bit. It's not a tool to figure out where a mature buck is and go kill him. That doesn't sit with me well.
I view it from a habitat/conservation perspective.
Is your farm holding ample deer?
Do you have enough bedding cover?
Is there enough depth of cover to satisfy mature bucks?
Are deer preferring certain topographic features?
Are deer bedding near food?
Do you need to add more food to get more deer bedding on farm?
Etc etc
Totally agree. ^^ I have no doubt that, if legal, some would not hesitate to "fly" their property prior to a hunt so as to see where EXACTLY Mr. Big is hanging and then go "hunt" accordingly. These drones are flying high enough and/or quiet enough that they do not spook the deer AND the cams on them are so good that you could definitely identify a given buck via air.Exactly right. Thats why I’ve said that if it’s after the season is over it feels ok to me. Not trying to use it as a real-time locator of a target buck to go in and try to kill him. In fact I’d love to see the states make any sort of drone usage for management/surveys/data collection unlawful during any open deer season.