Should LOT tags be limited to actual landowner thus eliminating tenants as being eligible?
Poll Question #10: LOT Tags
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booneriverbucks
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This all gets a little more complicated depending on the area of the state you live in. The people in ag heavy regions would argue that recreational property owners don’t “deserve” a tag no matter what since they don’t actually farm and their income is not effected by the deer population..(even if we know the damage is little usually) also would lead to lots of 80+ year old ladies and men qualifying for tags while the people that farm it and take care of it don’t. This is never as easy of a question as it seems. Wish there was an easy way to keep fake “tenants” out tho
booneriverbucks
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It is a LOT tag. Landowner/tenant. The argument could be made that tenants are more deserving in many scenariois. Not a critique.. just stating the fact that opinions on this tag vary! This site is HEAVILY geared towards the bow hunting landowner/rec ground owner opinion.. this is like the Des Moines register polling data that said kamala would win in a landslide. Obviously I’m not saying we agree with that poll, just saying the data is severely flawed and not necessarily a fair sample of the opinion of many Iowa hunters/landowners/renters.
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ridgeview72
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If you own your own farm & rent land as well you qualify for "One" any sex & "One" antlerless only $2 LOT ($1 Hush & $1 processing fee) tags that can be used on your own farm and rented property. Being a "tenant" doesn't qualify you for any additional LOT tags...a landowner or a member of his/her family can legally only obtain "One" any sex & "One" antlerless only LOT for the $2 fee mentioned previously. There are additional anterless LOT they are allowed for a reduced cost around $15 or so (I'd have to look it up).
If you only rented land & didn't own any land yourself you would again only qualify for "One" any sex & "One" antlerless only LOT. I'd think it would be a very small number that qualify for a LOT tag as being a tenant only without any land of their own.
If you only rented land & didn't own any land yourself you would again only qualify for "One" any sex & "One" antlerless only LOT. I'd think it would be a very small number that qualify for a LOT tag as being a tenant only without any land of their own.
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Nrharris
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I am one of those few. I farm full time for a living with my dad. Farm a little over 2k acres between the 2 of us. He owns a bunch of land and I own none. I rent about 950 acres myself. Some of which has pretty good deer habitat on it. Deer in some years are pretty rough on my crop(raccoons are far worse). If people are abusing the tenant portion of landowner tags to get tags they shouldn't, then make tenants show proof of a schedule f from filing taxes.
No. Parcels have to be in different names. Then you can get a tag for that farm unit and can only hunt that unit. How does that get policed? It doesn't.
So what happens when it's in a trust? (legit asking) and I think this is where the loophole really dives in. I do KNOW for 100% that is happening right now, where the Dad is registered on once piece and the son is registered to a different piece because its in a "family trust"
150 Class
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To the best of my knowledge, you list only one parcel but it is legal to hunt all of them that qualify as the landowner or tenant.
That’s what I was told as well. Another gray area? Lol
CottonwoodCanyon
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I don't know for sure but I was told that in the event of an LLC with multiple names or trusts, there has to be a document article that states who gets the LOT. Maybe someone who has first hand experience can chime in.
Daver
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Hmmmm...reading this thread raises this question for me. (I apologize if I am derailing this thread, if so, I will dip out of this one.)
I have one main farm under my name and I have gotten a LO tag many, many times through the years. I also now have a separate farm under an LLC trust. It didn't even occur to me that my "normal" LO tag may not be kosher to use on the other piece. (I didn't fill it either way, nor did I even hunt the other place this year, so no violations were committed.
But going forward...what am I eligible for/what is permitted? I probably should know the answer to these questions, but I never even thought about it for minute...until now.
Let's say that I would be restricted from using the "main" LO tag on the "other" farm...but can I then, or anyone else, get a LO tag for the other piece? The piece that is under the LLC and not my name?
Am I limited to 1 LO tag no matter how many farms I own? Huh? I really have never thought about this, but now I am curious. FWIW, I know of other places that are under LLC's and the dudes "in charge" are getting LO tags.
I have one main farm under my name and I have gotten a LO tag many, many times through the years. I also now have a separate farm under an LLC trust. It didn't even occur to me that my "normal" LO tag may not be kosher to use on the other piece. (I didn't fill it either way, nor did I even hunt the other place this year, so no violations were committed.
But going forward...what am I eligible for/what is permitted? I probably should know the answer to these questions, but I never even thought about it for minute...until now.
Let's say that I would be restricted from using the "main" LO tag on the "other" farm...but can I then, or anyone else, get a LO tag for the other piece? The piece that is under the LLC and not my name?Am I limited to 1 LO tag no matter how many farms I own? Huh? I really have never thought about this, but now I am curious. FWIW, I know of other places that are under LLC's and the dudes "in charge" are getting LO tags.
ridgeview72
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I'd check with your local Game Warden, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't legal for you to use your LOT on the LLC trust property your part of as well.Hmmmm...reading this thread raises this question for me. (I apologize if I am derailing this thread, if so, I will dip out of this one.)
I have one main farm under my name and I have gotten a LO tag many, many times through the years. I also now have a separate farm under an LLC trust. It didn't even occur to me that my "normal" LO tag may not be kosher to use on the other piece. (I didn't fill it either way, nor did I even hunt the other place this year, so no violations were committed.
But going forward...what am I eligible for/what is permitted? I probably should know the answer to these questions, but I never even thought about it for minute...until now.
Am I limited to 1 LO tag no matter how many farms I own? Huh? I really have never thought about this, but now I am curious. FWIW, I know of other places that are under LLC's and the dudes "in charge" are getting LO tags.
It is my understanding you can still only get 1 LOT any sex & 1 LOT antlerless for the farm you own, but like I stated it would be surprising if you couldn't use your LOT on "both" the land you own & the LLC Trust...again check with local Game Warden for verification or email Iowa DNR for a response in writing.
Right. I wasn't saying otherwise.
What I was saying if multiple people cant register on mutually owned peopery.
Example: a husband and wife own 1,000 acres. Only one person can get the landowner tag.
A wife could get a landowner tag if a parcel or parcels were in here name only and the husband could get one in the parcel they mutually own.
Same thing if 10 people own 5000 acres togetheer. One person gets the tag.
Yes
seven twenty
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I think the biggest issue is with the tenants. If a family operation is leasing ground, the father, sons, grandfather, and anyone else involved can get tenant tags and spread them out amongst the leased ground. Too many different owners on the rented parcels and each family mbr claims a tag on different parcel. It still falls under the “umbrella” of the “farming operation” and they can hunt it all. Really no way to enforce or monitor it.
Tenants could qualify for depredation tags but not LOT. Only names on deed should qualify for LOT.
Tenants could qualify for depredation tags but not LOT. Only names on deed should qualify for LOT.
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