Manage timber for income. Pretty sure that qualifies.
My point being 2 acres isn't reasonable to me. Every 5 acres lot that gets split out shouldn't be getting LOT tag... just my opinion.
My point being 2 acres isn't reasonable to me. Every 5 acres lot that gets split out shouldn't be getting LOT tag... just my opinion.
I agree- I think 2 acres is extremely odd. I know a guy who bought 3.46 acres, all tillable for $75,000- and now gets a LOT tag if he wants (he does hunt but not real sure that was his motive)
Mine is all in crp/conservation pieces- I’m tied up for years- so kind of where I think they have decided 2 acres is enough? Does anyone know the exact wording though? Mine is in CRP for another 13 years and a slough contract which ties up the rest basically- I cannot do anything to make money on it now that it’s in those programs. I cannot rent the tillable, I cannot make ANY form of income and cannot use it as pasture for animals that I would make a profit on.
Is it 2 acres conservation- maybe more of it’s tillable? I don’t have the answer.
Rjack
Well-Known Member
Isn't CRP income?
Yes- but what I’m saying is it’s conservation related. That’s my question with the 2 acres- is it crp/conservation or just 2 acres in general. I thought it was 20 acres tillable or 2 acres conservation but it’s been awhile since I’ve seen the paperwork.
The “income” on the crp is set, I cannot make another dime off it. I cant graze cattle in it and make money on the cows etc. and it’s that way for X years at a time- not year to year like crops.
And I very well could be completely wrong- it’s been known to happen, and I admit it too
I looked it up quick- it is just “2 acres operated as a farm unit”. So pretty vague in all reality of what qualifies. I know when I filled it out- it asked if it was farm or conservation. I don’t see that on the sheet anymore
justinkarns
Member
Party hunting subject - and maybe this had been discussed - What if we were able to limit the party hunting aspect of gun season to antler less only?
Windwalker
Life Member
I’d be up for it. Would like to see poaching fines increased to the point it would be unthinkable to do it.
iowavf
Active Member
Party hunters still buy an anysex tag just as if they hunted alone. Not every person party hunting only kill bucks, as some may believe. Party hunting is what keeps the deer herd healthy and in check. Those concerned about people killing too many trophy bucks, then go one step further, no hunting during peak time of the rut?
That's not accurate. They only need to have a doe tag to be hunting and can shoot a buck as long as someone in the group has a buck tag and will tag it. One guy I know of shot 6 bucks one year.
iowavf
Active Member
Yes, but six people had to buy an anysex tag. My point is not every person party hunting is only out to kill bucks. I party hunt and many times my anysex tag will go on a doe. You take party hunting away and the Iowa deer herd will suffer. It might be great for a couple years, but after that too many deer is not a good thing and mother nature will take care of that.
I'm against rifles being added to shotgun season.
I'm against crossbows being added to archery season without valid medical reason, per hunter.
* Even though I see a huge advantage of bow over crossbow being that I can get off a 2nd shot MUCH easier.
I'm against additional seasons being created.
I'm against any gun season ever overlapping prime rut.
I support residential landowners having the ability to buy 3 anysex tags annually.
I support party shotgun hunting practices.
@iowavf made a good point. "Those concerned about people killing too many trophy bucks, then go one step further, no hunting during peak time of the rut?"
If we're so concerned about growing trophy bucks state wide that we're willing to drop my ability to buy 3 anysex tags down to 1 tag annually, then where do we re-draw that line in the sand, and who's got the authority to do so? Once we start re-drawing established lines, the flood gates tend to open.
Why not eliminate all hunting during the rut?
Why not ban all optics from muzzle loaders? (Open sights only.)
Why not ban all optics from all guns?
Why not ban compound bows and carbon or aluminum arrows all together? (Traditional archery equipment only.)
Why not make it a 1 anysex tag every 5 years, per person?
Etc.
Let's really tighten the screws on anyone else who isn't a trophy hunter above all else.
Don't get me wrong guys, I pass on a majority of the deer that come within range just like most of you, and I LOVE hanging a new favorite memory on my wall, but I get SUPER TOUCHY when people start trying to take my rights away. I recognize a slippery slope when I see one.
I'm against crossbows being added to archery season without valid medical reason, per hunter.
* Even though I see a huge advantage of bow over crossbow being that I can get off a 2nd shot MUCH easier.
I'm against additional seasons being created.
I'm against any gun season ever overlapping prime rut.
I support residential landowners having the ability to buy 3 anysex tags annually.
I support party shotgun hunting practices.
@iowavf made a good point. "Those concerned about people killing too many trophy bucks, then go one step further, no hunting during peak time of the rut?"
If we're so concerned about growing trophy bucks state wide that we're willing to drop my ability to buy 3 anysex tags down to 1 tag annually, then where do we re-draw that line in the sand, and who's got the authority to do so? Once we start re-drawing established lines, the flood gates tend to open.
Why not eliminate all hunting during the rut?
Why not ban all optics from muzzle loaders? (Open sights only.)
Why not ban all optics from all guns?
Why not ban compound bows and carbon or aluminum arrows all together? (Traditional archery equipment only.)
Why not make it a 1 anysex tag every 5 years, per person?
Etc.
Let's really tighten the screws on anyone else who isn't a trophy hunter above all else.
Don't get me wrong guys, I pass on a majority of the deer that come within range just like most of you, and I LOVE hanging a new favorite memory on my wall, but I get SUPER TOUCHY when people start trying to take my rights away. I recognize a slippery slope when I see one.
TheBig8
Member
Non-resident here who has never hunted Iowa. I have land across the river in WI and to the north in MN. For those reasons i didn’t participate in the poll.
I have a few questions -
What is a "celeb" tag?
Are the landowner tags restricted to residents only or can a NR land owner get a tag every year?
I do know someone who is a NR that buys a doe tag for the gun season and party hunts the resident buck tags in the group. It feels almost like a loophole in the system.
I have a few questions -
What is a "celeb" tag?
Are the landowner tags restricted to residents only or can a NR land owner get a tag every year?
I do know someone who is a NR that buys a doe tag for the gun season and party hunts the resident buck tags in the group. It feels almost like a loophole in the system.
Deer population is controlled by does only. Party hunting for does is probably OK. If you want to shoot a buck I think you should have to use your tag allocation to do so.
The current rule gets abused extensively.
Tmayer13
Well-Known Member
I have seen a lot of farmers wives tag bucks but have never hunted a day in their lives. This is the whole issue with party hunting, its completely unregulated. This is why people like IBH1983 and myself are so against it. If your going to hunt in a party you should at least be required to have a tag IN YOUR NAME for the sex of the animal you harvest.
There are a ton of states out there that do not have "party hunting" and their deer populations are just fine. There isn't even that many deer in this state and the habitat is severely lacking in comparison. Go to a state like Michigan, VERY high deer population, amazing habitat, and no party hunting(the hunting culture and regulations in that state is why it sucks).
Also if its the population that we are worried about then how about he make it an earn a buck tag. Shoot 2 does get a buck tag. Shoot 3 does get your LOT. That will have far more significance over the population then a bunch of hillbillies using their dead grandmas shotgun tag to put on a fork horn....
Some of you may not care about shooting mature deer and that's totally fine but I do! And if we dropped to a one buck state your hunting opportunities would not change, there would still be plenty of 2 and 3 yr deer to be harvested. I would also argue that far more hunting opportunities would open. I know several guys on this forum, including myself that have had friends come in to shoot inferior racked animals because we did not want to use a tag or were hunting specific deer or because said individual didn't care what the animal scored.
As someone that has moved to IA from another state, this whole party hunting thing is completely out of control and I frankly think its garbage and should be banned for the history of mankind!
20-30 years ago, a younger, less experienced me might have agreed with you guys. Back before hunting celebrities came along and made it hip to be a trophy Iowa deer hunter. Back when farmers wanted you to decrease the deer population around their field crops. Before hunting leases were a thing. Before people started locking down large chunks of private property for themselves or their paying clientele.
IMO, things have not changed for the better.
Making Iowa a 1 buck per season state would only make the easy access to land that much worse. In turn making deer hunting even more of an elitist sport than it already is. To be enjoyed only by those wealthy enough to play the game. The exact opposite of what most of us on here are about. The exact opposite of what hunting is at its core.
The problem with farmers wanted deer decreased, most of them couldn't tell the difference between coon damage, turkey damage, or deer damage... Deer are just the most seen, and one of them was my Uncle down outside of Grant... Dont be me wrong, TONS of deer, but the COON were so thick, it wasnt uncommon to see 30-45 an afternoon while hunting running into the corn and then listening to them tear it all apart.
I'm not following the correlation between going to one buck and the problems you outlined. I do agree those problems exist
Restricting buck tag opportunity even more will increase the feeling of urgency in people to make sure they solidify their own locked down private ground.
I've got TROPHY BUCK fever from the huntin shows I've watched.
I'm only allowed one buck tag, so on only one chance annually to bag me a big-un. Better make my time and $ count!
Too much competition on public ground.
Can't gain access to any private ground without renting or buying my own.
Better lock down my own private ground and keep everyone else out, so I can farm TROPHY BUCKS for myself. (Only adding to the problem.)
OR
Don't make enough $ to rent or buy my own ground, so screw this hunting stuff anyway. (Discouraging people from getting into hunting, or continuing to hunt.)
It's just another thing to feed the juggernaut that Iowa deer hunting has become.