I've got one buck in mind, that has haunted my dreams ever since i screwed up on him early muzzleloader. its a long story but to make it short, that dang double safety on knight muzzleloaders is reatarded, the only time ive ever put it on because i was bored and playing with it screwed me on a buck of a lifetime. ive only seen the buck once early muzzleloader but my budday saw him in his headlights pulling into the place i hunt late muzzleloader and nobody got him. he was a huge beautiful 12 pointer with everything you could imagine on a huge buck, he had sticker points off of almost all of his tines. i would say he would at least score in the 170's without all those sticker points, so his gross score, i dont even have a clue what he would score. i dont even know how many points he is but all i know is he is a monster. hope i get a crack at him with my bow or gun, good luck to all on those bucks you are all chasing.