American Pioneer powder

[arrowsmith]

Does anyone have experience with the American Pioneer powder? Commercials tell us that you can shoot a thousand times without cleaning. Sounds too good to be true. Is it at least better than others? Any info would be appreciated.

 

[moosehunter]

Just switched to it this year. Most people I've talked to like it. I've only shot it 8 times, but no complaints so far.

 

[Shedhuntermd]

I am interested too; I currently shoot 777 and is almost impossible to reload a fouled barrel. Cleaner powder would make reloading easier, so yes I would like to hear some input as well.

 

[170]

i shot American Pioneer sticks out of my Knight 50. cal last year. I could not get consist groups at all at 100 yrds. It also seemed that not all of the powder was burning up..After numerous shots without cleaning its seemed as if my barrel would be covered with a white residue..just my opinion but i would stick with the 777 and take the time to clean after every few shots and then thoroughly clean your gun after your done shootin..I think you will have much better results.

 

[rudy]

the commercial sounds good in that they say you can shoot forever without cleaning and you can,but you do that w triple7 too.it's not the powder that fouls the barrel but the plastic fouling from the sabot that fouls it out.run a patch swabbed with a light coat of bore butter between each practice shot and it will load and clean easily.t7 is the most consistant and reliable powder i've found yet.

 

[Jethro]

One of my relatives had a similar situation with his ML as well. Shot 777 pellets with consistent results. Bought and tried the Pioneer Powder and never could get the gun to settle in. Switched back to 777 and the Knight was driving tacks again. After looking at the pellets up close it seemed to us that there was some difference in the Pioneers pellet uniformity. They were inconsistenet in there lengths and over all shape from some pellets to the others. It was not alot but possibly enough to change the powder grains enough from shot to shot. Dosen't really matter anyway, I'm sticking with the old 777 and don't plan on changing.

 

[DOR]

Do a search on American pioneer powder and you should find a conversation we had it about it last year.

 

[Steve-O]

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Do a search on American pioneer powder and you should find a conversation we had it about it last year.

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Always bringing up the same old stuff every year arent they DOR

 

[NEIOWAARCHER]

We tried to sight in my buddies ML a couple a weeks ago with the sticks. Horrible stuff. No groups and they sure break up easy. I have never tried the loose stuff though, I have heard good about that.

 

[CamoMan]

I use the loose powder, and love it. Easy clean-up, and no crud ring like I got with 777 in front of where the bullet seated. I also went to a low-ignition primer. Seems to shoot well in my Omega.

 

[M350]

Don't forget to try the Shockey Gold. Its a bit more compressed and more consistant than orig. poineer. Pellets are more consistantly sized and a bit smaller in size so they now just drop down the barrel. I sell pyrodex,T7,American Pioneer, and Shockey Gold,all are available to me and I choose Shockey Gold. Have found the accuracy acceptable out to 200 yards with the right bullets(TCA SHOCKWAVES-EZ GLIDE)
I currently have 5 .45 cal shooter guns(Knight Disc, T.C. Enchore, T.C. Omega and 2 CVA OPTIMAS)all sighted in with above combination of powder and bullet. They are all also topped with Nikon Omega 3-9x40 BDC (bullet drop compensator) scopes with Dura sight Quick release rings.

These guns are shot 100's of times for two years at shoots for my customer base and the Shockey Gold has yet to fail me.

Just a sales mans opinon though.

 

[avidhunter]

I have a can of the Shockey Gold that I'm willing to give away to whomever wants to cough up shipping

I was VERY unimpressed with it all around - marginally cleaner than 777, and accuracy was quite a bit worse. Bottomline you should be running a patch in between shots regardless of whatever powder you choose, unless you don't care much about accuracy - of course a fouled barrel does increase muzzle velocity

IMHO 777 is hard to beat. Great groups using loose powder, plenty of power with only 100gr loads. Clean up is still quite easy.

 

[iabow]

I just started using the loose powder stuff as I heard bad things about the sticks. I switched from 777. With 100 grs. 250 shockwaves, I had bullet holes that were touching each other at 100 yds.
I also found this stuff way easy to clean. At the range with a wet patch(water was all) and a dry it was completely clean and those patches were pretty clean.
One problem I have heard of with PP is the ignition hole being enlarged. So far I like the stuff though.