If you are referring to my comment about a "real" population, it has nothing to do with questioning whether or not they are there. I grew up in Iowa and have followed their presence there for several years. I've been apart of a few mountain lion studies in my wildlife biology career so, no, I'm not kidding myself. My comment about a "real" population was more tongue-in-cheek (just realized I forgot the smiley face I intended), but still referring to the density of lions (reproducing, self-sustaining populations) we have here in Arizona and other western states as opposed to the relatively few that are showing up in Iowa. And I have yet to hear of any lions reproducing there. Most are young lions dispersing from Nebraska, SD, etc. A few setting up territories? Sounds like it. Multiple reproducing pairs establishing a sefl-sustaining population? Hasn't been shown yet that I've seen.