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Anyone still believe in global warming ????

risto2351

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Found this article and thought it might be interesting. To be honest I have listened to both sides and was beginning to wonder if indeed global warming was here. Now I am back to we are just in a cycle.


Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
Lorne Gunter, National Post
Published: Monday, February 25, 2008

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Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.

"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.

But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.

Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

lgunter@shaw.ca

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One of the things not mentioned in that article was the salinity factor of ocean water. One theory says the fresh water from the melting polar ice effects the currents in the ocean therefor effecting the way the currents flow not only on the surface, there are places where the currents that normally are in the first few fathoms of water go to the deep water and cool off the water. Not alowing the water to cool off in the depths is supposed to effect weather cyclcs. I can't cite the study, but it too referred to a warm up leading to an ice age.

One winter does not a cycle make? Try one millenia does not a cycle make. I don't think the climatologists/environmentalists have anything stronger than theory on the future. I don't buy the whole global warming package, but I do belive we are effecting our weather.

I can't say as I remember reading or hearing much in the way of sunspot activity having much effect on our weather. Could be.

The 'Bonker
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tlambert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You just never know til it happens </div></div>
 
One thing I do agree on with all the environmentalists is that the amounts of pollutants we put into the air and water is not good for the health of people, animals, and the environment. Global warming, maybe. Global cooling, maybe. We should take care of what we have because it's the only one we've got.
 
We SHOULD be concerned about our environment! The part that makes me mad is when media outlets use it only as a political weapon not as anything based on facts. Funny how ya don't hear much from the global warming groups now.
 
My winter's reading has included, "A Short History of Nearly Everthing" by Bill Bryson. Talk about putting everything in perspective. This old earth has a fascinating history of warmups, cooldowns, meteor hits, volcanoes, and earthquakes. Any one of these things can and has dramitacally changed our climate and the earth's ability to support life. The one thing that was the most fascinating to me was the study of ice cores from the poles and glaciers around the world. It is very unnerving to see how suddenly ice ages have occurred in the recent(couple of hundred thousand years) past. This little garden period of a few hundred years that we have enjoyed is probably only going to last a little while longer. We better enjoy it. Are we putting unbelieveable amounts of carbon in the atmosphere? Undeniably. What will be the end result? Noone really can know. Obviously, every warm-up has preceded a cooldown and every cooldown has preceded a warm-up.
 
I agree, the tons of pollutants man has put out can't be good for the earth. Just walk down any road once this , black with oil snow, melts, and see all the trash we put out. We put it in the air too, just take a deep breath from your exhaust pipe. I have read warming does not mean no more winter, anywhere. It does mean more and more extremes, all over the earth, each season.
 
the fact is that everyone needs to be concerned about what we do with the environment. i want to make sure my kids can enjoy the same kind of quality hunts i enjoy today.
 
I'm not buying into the whole global warming thing. Sure, we as humans have really F'd the world up in so many ways but there are greater things working on the worlds climate than us. Yeah, we've probably affected it a little bit but we're just egotistical enough to think that everything revolves around us. Nothing is constant in this world, it's always changing. It just sucks that it's affecting my deer hunting. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

And I do agree with your statement there LIV. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: streitl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing I do agree on with all the environmentalists is that the amounts of pollutants we put into the air and water is not good for the health of people, animals, and the environment. Global warming, maybe. Global cooling, maybe. We should take care of what we have because it's the only one we've got. </div></div>

Gotta quotew the old man...."If you dont have clean air to breath and clean water to drink, what do you have"?
 
This global warming & now cooling is the biggest play on peoples fears that I have ever seen. These weather experts can't even correctly predict the weather day to day. How can they claim a correct prediction years from now? This is stupid.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can they claim a correct prediction years from now? </div></div>

By looking at trends over the years, espescially the temperature and C02 in the atmosphere correlation.

Supposedly they can figure out how much C02 was in the air back thousands and thousands of years ago by looking at air pockets in ice glaciers. Since there is a direct correlation with C02 levels and the temperature, they can see what the warming and cooling trends have been.

From the graphs I have seen, we are in one heck of a warming trend, with the average overall global temperature on the rise. Something like 7 out of the last 10 years have been the hottest overall temperatuere years on average for the earth.

However, I realize that data is something that can be skewed either way, espescially when the people paying you to do research for them want a "certain result." That is why I really have no idea or opinion on this topic! I just hope what they say is not true.
 
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