blakesburg
PMA Member
Look at society as a whole....Respect is a fading trait in all aspects of life, not just hunting.
sep0667
Land of the Whitetail
I'd say its because back "then" deer hunting was not popular. Now with all the shows, dvds, sites like this, ads, Cabelas, Bass Pros, etc deer hunting is extremely popular. The only way to really get on a nice pieace of ground thats decent sized is to either own it or lease. Otherwise your going to be stuck with public or have to share with other hunters. There's just a lack of habitat and good ground left and its probably not going to get any better.
+1, Thanks
madplotter
PMA Member
Wow, there are some excellent points in this thread. I would like to add my 2 cents as well...
I understand the OP's reason for leasing. I have recently experienced a younger hunter and his buddies pushing me out of some local areas because I too, do not feel comfortable in a crowd of sloppy hunters. I don't dislike the guy, just don't like his practices. The ironic part of the situation is that he was used as a pawn by a neighbor to try to limit my access/success. This neighbor was about 60 at the time and was peeved that I did not call him about every deer I shot or spotted. I even let this jack ass hunt on my farm because he had hunted it for years before I bought it and I respect life-long hunters. So the lack of class is not limited to 20 somethings. This guy and his young protege' never practice and seldom harvest, mostly wound. I just keep it civil and keep my taxidermy man in business.
IMO, Bowhunters used to be different breed. Bowhunting was a religion for most of us. I am 41, yet I hold the legends of bowhunting sacred. Fred Bear, Howard Hill, M.R. James, Nugent, Adams, Shepley, Keller, and Irv Wagoner just to name a few. If a bowhunter doesn't know who Ishi was and his relationship with Saxton Pope, they should. It is just my opinion but we should understand the roots of our sport. Will it make a new hunter better, maybe not, but it should make them appreciate the experience. I used to love to stop by Archery field and sports to chat with Irv, true pioneer. He doesn't know me from Adam but I learned a great deal just by talking to him once in a while.
I have to admit, I love hunting shows and my HS, Drury, and Primos DVD's, I call it my redneck porn.
So I am guilty of feeding the commercialization of hunting as much as anyone but I read everything I can get my hands on to this day. The one thing that disappoints me is the lack of bowhunting history/knowledge included in these shows. With the access to information these days, there is no excuse for ignorance.
I am also puzzled by the bowhunters who ignore or choose not to belong to the Iowa Bowhunters Assn. Instead of adding more half-assed hunters to our sport, I try to convince the existing hunters to join and support the IBA. Likewise, I truly want my children to hunt but I will not put them in places they will shoot a P&Y at 10 years old, they will earn that right.
In the end, I learned to adjust my hunting style to capitalize on the sloppy practices of my neighbors and it has worked well. I am a much more successful hunter because of them, so i guess every cloud has a silver lining
I understand the OP's reason for leasing. I have recently experienced a younger hunter and his buddies pushing me out of some local areas because I too, do not feel comfortable in a crowd of sloppy hunters. I don't dislike the guy, just don't like his practices. The ironic part of the situation is that he was used as a pawn by a neighbor to try to limit my access/success. This neighbor was about 60 at the time and was peeved that I did not call him about every deer I shot or spotted. I even let this jack ass hunt on my farm because he had hunted it for years before I bought it and I respect life-long hunters. So the lack of class is not limited to 20 somethings. This guy and his young protege' never practice and seldom harvest, mostly wound. I just keep it civil and keep my taxidermy man in business.
IMO, Bowhunters used to be different breed. Bowhunting was a religion for most of us. I am 41, yet I hold the legends of bowhunting sacred. Fred Bear, Howard Hill, M.R. James, Nugent, Adams, Shepley, Keller, and Irv Wagoner just to name a few. If a bowhunter doesn't know who Ishi was and his relationship with Saxton Pope, they should. It is just my opinion but we should understand the roots of our sport. Will it make a new hunter better, maybe not, but it should make them appreciate the experience. I used to love to stop by Archery field and sports to chat with Irv, true pioneer. He doesn't know me from Adam but I learned a great deal just by talking to him once in a while.
I have to admit, I love hunting shows and my HS, Drury, and Primos DVD's, I call it my redneck porn.
So I am guilty of feeding the commercialization of hunting as much as anyone but I read everything I can get my hands on to this day. The one thing that disappoints me is the lack of bowhunting history/knowledge included in these shows. With the access to information these days, there is no excuse for ignorance. I am also puzzled by the bowhunters who ignore or choose not to belong to the Iowa Bowhunters Assn. Instead of adding more half-assed hunters to our sport, I try to convince the existing hunters to join and support the IBA. Likewise, I truly want my children to hunt but I will not put them in places they will shoot a P&Y at 10 years old, they will earn that right.
In the end, I learned to adjust my hunting style to capitalize on the sloppy practices of my neighbors and it has worked well. I am a much more successful hunter because of them, so i guess every cloud has a silver lining
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Bowtech84
Well-Known Member
Hey i dont know ishi or saxton or whoever you know. All i know is i love the outdoors and cherish every moment i spend in them. You want to start throwing out names of the lost sport then talk them into putting some money together and finding you a place to hunt leave us young hunters out of it.
bloodhoundhandler
New Member
I agree with you on things here. It did used to be different but I guess one thing to remember we were the younger generation 20 years ago and I am sure we pissed some people off as well :drink2:Wow, there are some excellent points in this thread. I would like to add my 2 cents as well...
I understand the OP's reason for leasing. I have recently experienced a younger hunter and his buddies pushing me out of some local areas because I too, do not feel comfortable in a crowd of sloppy hunters. I don't dislike the guy, just don't like his practices. The ironic part of the situation is that he was used as a pawn by a neighbor to try to limit my access/success. This neighbor was about 60 at the time and was peeved that I did not call him about every deer I shot or spotted. I even let this jack ass hunt on my farm because he had hunted it for years before I bought it and I respect life-long hunters. So the lack of class is not limited to 20 somethings. This guy and his young protege' never practice and seldom harvest, mostly wound. I just keep it civil and keep my taxidermy man in business.
IMO, Bowhunters used to be different breed. Bowhunting was a religion for most of us. I am 41, yet I hold the legends of bowhunting sacred. Fred Bear, Howard Hill, M.R. James, Nugent, Adams, Shepley, Keller, and Irv Wagoner just to name a few. If a bowhunter doesn't know who Ishi was and his relationship with Saxton Pope, they should. It is just my opinion but we should understand the roots of our sport. Will it make a new hunter better, maybe not, but it should make them appreciate the experience. I used to love to stop by Archery field and sports to chat with Irv, true pioneer. He doesn't know me from Adam but I learned a great deal just by talking to him once in a while.
I have to admit, I love hunting shows and my HS, Drury, and Primos DVD's, I call it my redneck porn.
I am also puzzled by the bowhunters who ignore or choose not to belong to the Iowa Bowhunters Assn. Instead of adding more half-assed hunters to our sport, I try to convince the existing hunters to join and support the IBA. Likewise, I truly want my children to hunt but I will not put them in places they will shoot a P&Y at 10 years old, they will earn that right.
In the end, I learned to adjust my hunting style to capitalize on the sloppy practices of my neighbors and it has worked well. I am a much more successful hunter because of them, so i guess every cloud has a silver lining
SaskGuy
Active Member
It is most definately changing here in Saskatchewan. Here is why.....
Access is still easy to get as landowners are fine with allowing people on their property. It is common to share a property with people and that hasn't changed. It is the approach of 90% of those people that have changed.
I don't know what is to blame,..I think it is the publicizing of it here in SK through a certain magazine or through Wild TV, which showcases many great whitetails taken here in SK. Many of them are killed over bait.
So the problem lies here, not that it is the foolproof set up for a big buck, but most guys think it is. So come Nov. those properties that are shared with others become litered with bait sites. Deer movement gets altered because of it and people get a sense of entitlement to a spot that someone else may have sat in 10 times that yr due to them dumping some grain on the ground a and chucking a camera over it. That's the biggest and most negative change I'm seeing, most young guys getting into it have no idea what to do without a bait and a cam and then they go and think the spot they put it in is "theirs" despite thefactthat the guys who choose to hunt archery and muzzleloader before Nov. 1 rifle may have hunted that spot numerous times. I'm frustrated by it as it seems that wherever I go this time of yr, I'll find a bait site somewhere on a 640 acre chunk. The sites are not mine, but the people who put them there think the area is then "theirs".
Things are still good, access is easy and pressure is pretty low in the grand scheme of things but that chaps my a$$.
Access is still easy to get as landowners are fine with allowing people on their property. It is common to share a property with people and that hasn't changed. It is the approach of 90% of those people that have changed.
I don't know what is to blame,..I think it is the publicizing of it here in SK through a certain magazine or through Wild TV, which showcases many great whitetails taken here in SK. Many of them are killed over bait.
So the problem lies here, not that it is the foolproof set up for a big buck, but most guys think it is. So come Nov. those properties that are shared with others become litered with bait sites. Deer movement gets altered because of it and people get a sense of entitlement to a spot that someone else may have sat in 10 times that yr due to them dumping some grain on the ground a and chucking a camera over it. That's the biggest and most negative change I'm seeing, most young guys getting into it have no idea what to do without a bait and a cam and then they go and think the spot they put it in is "theirs" despite thefactthat the guys who choose to hunt archery and muzzleloader before Nov. 1 rifle may have hunted that spot numerous times. I'm frustrated by it as it seems that wherever I go this time of yr, I'll find a bait site somewhere on a 640 acre chunk. The sites are not mine, but the people who put them there think the area is then "theirs".
Things are still good, access is easy and pressure is pretty low in the grand scheme of things but that chaps my a$$.
Interesting topic.
Access to ground is tough. I'm very lucky to have some ground to hunt with my family and friends. It's not outstanding ground, we don't have food plots, very few hardwood stands, and we regularly have competition on the property borders from other hunters.
We have a great time as a group and dedicate a full week together during the rut every year. The times we share during evenings and breaks is better than anything. We put in long sits during shooting hours and it's not uncommon to log 100 hours on stand during the season. Over the years we've killed some big bucks. Some of the guys are content to kill the first buck that walks by and fill doe tags while another guy is head hunting a few hundred yards away. We all respect what make the individual happy, and we all pitch in to help when one of the others finds some success.
If you're hunting alone you're losing out. Make friends with folks that can hunt the same properties as you. You'll get more out of the hunting season by enjoying good company, sharing information, and filling each other full of BS than sitting in your stand alone fuming about the guy who might be in his stand across the timber.
Access to ground is tough. I'm very lucky to have some ground to hunt with my family and friends. It's not outstanding ground, we don't have food plots, very few hardwood stands, and we regularly have competition on the property borders from other hunters.
We have a great time as a group and dedicate a full week together during the rut every year. The times we share during evenings and breaks is better than anything. We put in long sits during shooting hours and it's not uncommon to log 100 hours on stand during the season. Over the years we've killed some big bucks. Some of the guys are content to kill the first buck that walks by and fill doe tags while another guy is head hunting a few hundred yards away. We all respect what make the individual happy, and we all pitch in to help when one of the others finds some success.
If you're hunting alone you're losing out. Make friends with folks that can hunt the same properties as you. You'll get more out of the hunting season by enjoying good company, sharing information, and filling each other full of BS than sitting in your stand alone fuming about the guy who might be in his stand across the timber.
G6
Active Member
Oh man you better not go there unless you are ready for an butt chewing by some here.
Bill Hartzell
New Member
As mentioned earlier some great points have been made. Times change--people change--hunters change etc. Getting permission to hunt private ground here in NW Ia is almost impossible. I totally understand when other people are hunting the property that the land owner has the right and every right to give permission to who hunts. Not a problem with me at all. What I don't understand is that the state is giving out "deperdation" tags to the landowners cuz the deer are eating the crop. Landowner says kill em all but won't let you on to hunt. Not sure I get that. I knocked on 3 doors this week to ask for permission from some wonderful nice landowners......only to be told "sorry can't let you in there I've got 1 guy in there already. But if you get a chance kill every deer you see." So, is this 1 hunter killing 5 does and putting the deperdation tags
on them for the landowner? Maybe 10 tags depends on how many of those tags are given out. As mentioned earlier we are cutting our own throats. So, I continue to hunt public and deal with some really good people out there and some not so really good. Old or young mind you. I've been bowhunting for 30 years now so am no rookie.
on them for the landowner? Maybe 10 tags depends on how many of those tags are given out. As mentioned earlier we are cutting our own throats. So, I continue to hunt public and deal with some really good people out there and some not so really good. Old or young mind you. I've been bowhunting for 30 years now so am no rookie.
Crockett
PMA Member
I don't wanna deal with other hunters deal!!! I won't hunt a property someone else is hunting!!!!! That being said! I do have a couple farms that are hunted by friends!! We don't play the same game! So I kinda let them have at them!!!!!!!madplotter
PMA Member
Not sure i get your point.
Altiman94
Member
The past few years I've had it pretty lucky. My wife's parents own some land in Bremer County. My brother in law and I both hunt it. It's a pretty small piece so it can't support more than two hunters in there at a time. Since I moved from Bremer county for a job further down south (johnson county) I've been hunting public. It took me two seasons, but I'm finally starting to see deer. I've noticed most guys don't go more than 200 yards from their truck. And if they do, they are going to the same spot. I think after the population shrinks more, some of your 'part time' bow hunters will drop out of the sport and leave more land for those of us who live and breath it.