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Iowa1

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Last night I was sitting in my po-up blind looking over deer feeding in the alfalfa. Saw about 15 does and small bucks. About a half hour before dark, two big does were feeding fairly close and I readied for a shot to fill a doe tag. The closest one was 45 yards and almost broadside, slightly quartering away, feeding calmly. So I let 'er fly. She started to spin as the arrow was in flight and it caught her right behind the last rib, angling forward. I figured I got the off lung and if I was lucky maybe clipped the near-side lung. As she sun to leave, for a brief second I caught a glimpse of the fletching sticking out of her side just behind the last rib on the right side.

The two deer ran about 100 yards over a little rise in the field and stopped where I could only see their heads above the rise in terrain. I took my eyes off them for a brief second while I put my binoculars up to my eyes. Through the binos I could see just the head of one doe standing there. She was looking around, and then alternately looking down and to her right. I watched for about a minute when she finally trotted off alone. This was going to be an easy recovery.

Because it was getting dark, I only waited about ten minutes before getting out and walking over there. Nothing. No blood, no deer, nothing. I looked all around me for any kind of sign and found nothing. As it was getting dark, I decided to go back to my truck and get a better light. I searched the whole area, even went back to where they were standing when I shot. I found no evidence of a hit, and no arrow. I spent about an hour searching all the trails on that end of the field. Never found a drop of blood. I decided to come back in the daylight. First thing this morning I once again searched the area where she dropped out of sight. Nothing, not even a drop of blood. I searched all the trails and walked all the perimeter of that half of the field, and anywhere she could have went without me being able to see her from the blind. Nothing.

By now I am thinking maybe my eyes had played tricks on me and I had not hit the deer at all, even though I am positive I saw the arrow in her side. I went back and spent quite a bit of time searching the area of the shot, looking for the arrow, blood or hair. I even looked for about a half hour along where the arrow could have skipped if it had missed. The alfalfa is short and spotty here and if the arrow was there I would have found it fairly easily.

I am at a loss to explain this. In 33 years of bowhunting I have never come across a situation like this and I just don't know what to think. If you can solve this mystery you are a better man than I.
 
First, you're obviously very experienced and I admire all the effort you put into trying to find her.

But I think 45 yards is too long of a shot to be taking with a bow. Yes, I know, many of us have the skill to make tennis-ball sized groups at 40, 50, 60, and some even 70+ yards. But the problem is exactly what you said- the arrow is in the air a long time and deer, being living creatures, can, and do move even if they are calm, undisturbed when the shot is readied and taken.

I'm not saying hitting and killing them at these ranges can't be done, because I know it can. But mistakes and poor hits can come up on even close range shots, but I think the chances of poor hits rise exponentially at distances beyond 30-35 yards. Looking at the bigger picture, is it really that important to extend your range to get one deer instead of looking at respect for the deer, our fellow hunters, non-hunters and our sport?
 
The range is not the issue. The hit was good.

If I had said it was a 25 yard shot would that have changed anything? No.
 
45 yards is a long shot....don't know why you haven't found any sign of a hit. I shot a doe three years ago with my muzzleloader and drilled her through the heart and lungs and I never found a drop of blood until I found her piled up 75 yards away (started to think I missed). There was even snow on the ground so finding sign shouldn't of been a problem but she didn't leave a trace that I found until she stumbled into a crick bottom. You might have bumped her when you went to check the field. Keep checking the trails and surrounding thick cover and you should find her. I have seen deer that have been shot back like that go for miles and the hole gets plugged with fat and other material and do not bleed much. Hope to hear that you find her. Good luck.
 
The arrow angling that far forward didn't make an exit wound. Behind the last rib would also mean behind the diaphram...angling forward is good but the entry hole probably plugged or the hide flapped over the hole even with your arrow still in her. You missed the near side lung and hit the far side lung. She was filling up with blood but with no exit wound nothing was hitting the ground. She is laying dead about 400 to 500 yards from where you shot and quite possibly never left a drop of blood.

Had the same shot on a buck in 1988.

No comment on a 45 yard shot...you have hunted long enough to know your capabilities.
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Possibly she spun enough that you shot under the arm pit not penetrating the chest cavity??? My best guess?

Arrow Deflection of the ribs?
 
Been there done that, except my shot was 10 yards into the same spot as you describe, but with a little more forward angle so the arrow was headed for the oppisit shoulder, without a pass through. I thought I heard her pile up about 50 yards down the hill. Waited almost 90 minutes, no deer, no blood, no arrow. Looked hard that evening, went back the next morning, looked hard, nuthin. Only answer I have is I don't have an answer. Also known as a blank look.

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As for shot selection...this site is nice because it has never turned into the ethics police station found on Bowsite. Hope we can keep it that way.

Each hunter has to live with his own decisions and knows what he is comfortable with. If this poster was a newbie, comment might be warranted, but he is obviously more experienced than most and no comment is necessary IMO.

Good luck finding her.
 
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sounds familiar Bonk.
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Yeah, thanks again for your help. Batteries or not. You are the only guy I know that would wear shoes like that and try to recover a deer.
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The 'Bonker
 
Thanks for not hijacking this post with a shoot-don't shoot argument. The thing that bothers me the most is that this deer is laying somewhere on private property with my arrow in her. This area is very heavily hunted by rifle hunters and is mostly divided up into 40's and 80's with quite a few hunting camps. Within 400 to 500 yards, if she could truly go that far, she could be on 3-4 different properties and most of them heavily wooded with a maze of deer trails. If she went more than 200, my chances of finding her are slim to none. Makes me sick.

What would I have done differently? Possibly waited an extra 20 minutes or so. Most deer with a hole in the liver, diaphram and a broadhead in the lung will not live 60 seconds. I am convinced that's what we are dealing with here and I thought there was a good chance that I may have clipped the near side lung which would reduce that by at least half. Certainly a deer on a dead run could go 400 yards in 30 seconds, but this one appeared to go down almost within sight.

I was hoping someone would come up with something I hadn't thought of and I would go "Aha!" and go out and walk right to her. Doesn't look good.
 
Since no one has offered anything you didn't already know, did you look by the large clump of brush at the end of the field by the woven wire fence?
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I noticed we weren't getting any good blood trails from all the fat plugging up the holes right away. The little blood that may have been there might be small enough to not see it before the hole plugged up. I don't understand why you didn't find it but maybe there is something you overlooked like a brushpile or big weed patch or something off to the side of where you looked she possibly could of crawled in. Or maybe the Mountain Lions took her and buried her overnight.
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Nothing wrong with taking a 45 yard shot, I have shot 3 does so far that were 47, 52, and 59 yards, everyone ran 80 yards or less and dumped over.
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As for shot selection...this site is nice because it has never turned into the ethics police station found on Bowsite. Hope we can keep it that way.

Each hunter has to live with his own decisions and knows what he is comfortable with. If this poster was a newbie, comment might be warranted, but he is obviously more experienced than most and no comment is necessary IMO.

Good luck finding her.

[/ QUOTE ] Well put. The only thing I can think of if you only nicked the vitals then she could go a long way before piling up. I would check the neighboring areas and I bet you find her bedded down in some cover. If that happened to me on the property I hunt she would be coyote bait already. They are definately amazing animals. Hope to hear a success story. Again good luck.
 
Even at close ranges, it can be pretty tough to know exactly where the arrow ended up. I've seen "dead certain" turn into, "wow.... would have never guessed" , more than a few times. I usually suprise myself.

I pretty much live by the 200 yard rule if they aren't pushed, but there are exceptions I guess. If the deer had to travel a good distance over an open field to the security cover, that would throw a wrench in my theory I suppose. I'd still be looking hard at any thick cover / terrain stops and water within a hundred yards of the field edge. Just my experience, they're usually dead a heck of a lot closer than we think.

Had one once that I watched travel about 80 yards... then out of site over a hill. I ended up finding her in a thick drainage ditch only about 20 yards from where she was shot. She dropped down into that thick drainage and made her way back towards me out of site. You could've knocked me over with a feather when I happend on her.
 
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