Coyote predation

[JBAGS]

Here is a crazy set of pics I got last season. This is KS. I have 20-30 more pics of this attack, but you get the idea. Look at the time stamps, this went on for 7 to 8 hours. They just ran her down until she gave up. Found the skeleton nearby in the spring time. Like mentioned about, they are predators and that's what they do. Especially when they are hungry. I hate yotes!

 

[Daver]

"Wow!" on the stories in this thread. While I have found a few dead deer through the years, most often fawns, that I suspect are coyote related, perhaps bobcat too, I really have never noticed a really strong population of them in my area. For which I am grateful. Some? Yes, of course. But I can only recall one time in 20+ years where they got to a deer that we let go over night. And that was a year where we were seeing more of them around than normal, FWIW. So the "math" checks out.

While a few of us do trap for them some and will take them out if given a shot...I am sure that 97% of why they are "under control" in our area is due to long established, effective hound groups that work our area. Not all of my neighbors share my opinion on the subject, but I am mostly OK with these dudes doing what they do, since the "tradeoff" sure seems to me to be far fewer canines out on the landscape in any given year.

Don't hate me , but I think that some houndsmen, provided that they have some respect of private property and boundaries can produce a net positive. People traversing the timbers, shots into the core of properties, trucks racing across open fields, etc, etc, NO, I am not down with that, not at all. But a cadre of rednecks with antennas on their trucks sitting up on the road and popping them close to the road as the dogs move them...yeah...I will take that scenario v. an overpopulation. Which I feel like we would have if these guys weren't on them with their dogs.

FWIW.

 

[westwind]

In my younger years I trapped a decent amount. Set snares for raccoons beavers and coyotes. Never once caught a deer. In iowa you have to put a stop on your snares to keep the loop from getting smaller than I think a pop can diameter. That is much bigger than a deer leg, so if a deer starts to get caught, it just falls off of their leg. Not saying you can't catch a deer, but it has to be very rare.

Ok that makes sense! I get what you are saying now.

 

[booneriverbucks]

IMHO - I think coyotes kill far more adult deer than folks realize…. I know I’m the minority on this thinking. Anecdotally I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes several times over the last 5-7 years …. Saw 2 mature & “healthy” bucks get “ambushed” by packs of coyotes that set traps… Killed. Got to witness one in thermals where coyotes chased a mature doe all over until it was exhausted All these deer I found later. Found a near my stand that was run to exhaustion & “blew its lungs out” with foamy blood out its mouth & I proceeded to empty my quiver on coyotes that AM - recovered arrows & shot a few more times…. Got 5-6 coyotes that am.
The amount of pics I’ve seen on my places or buddies where bucks have a pack of coyotes chasing it & u find that buck dead nearby…. Too often!!! It’s nature but I hate those coyotes!!!

That’s my anecdotal examples. & this is in a very high coyote density area. They “appear” to hunt like wolves more in packs. I don’t hear or see this stuff in areas where coyote density is much lower & clearly predation far less.

On fawns…. In high coyote density areas… incredibly bad. Again, if they are Lower pop… minor issue. I’m in a bad area & the amount of pics I get of fawn heads in mouth or legs is crazy. Working on farms - finding killed fawns (from variety of things) is/was bad. Coyote density varies a lot. Kansas…. Good gosh, insane the amount of coyotes & how often see does with no fawns. They for sure keep huge regions of deer #’s low.

I guess all this is anecdotal but here’s my experience in high density areas…. We have killed right around 150-300 coyotes per year for last 4-5 years on my farm & the surrounding area. Kill rate trending down. … total WAR. All year shooting + trapping when legal. It’s probably gone down some for how many shot & we have to go further & hunt/trap more to even hit probably 100 this year. Way way less. We kill em during fawning season as well of course. In last 2 or so years…. The amount of fawns killed is obscenely less, no doubt in my mind!!!!! The other one…. I believe they target bucks that are rutted down, little injuries or they see any weakness (natural for coyotes to target that) …. Since WAR…. We have lost far fewer bucks I find dead “for no good reason” Fawns & bucks & deer in general killed- way less. But… all that was…. Taking a super high density & dropping it way down. A lot of regions may luckily already be there. If you aren’t and u are full of coyotes… IMO- I’d get every neighbor on board for miles & get guys trapping & thermal hunting all over if possible. If predator hunting & trapping take place consistently over wide area, HUGE impact IMHO & experience. I’ve seen what they do when get obscene populations of coyotes…. I’ll never let it happen again.
2 nights ago friend got big one. . I watch for em on trail cameras & set traps & hunt em as I notice when they move in.



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LITERALLY 2 mins ago as I’m typing this!!!!!…

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I have absolutely no proof they are successful, but I have weekly trail cam pics of coyotes and mature deer in the same pic. I have no doubt they snag a few perfectly healthy mature deer every year.


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[Bassattackr]

Watch Two Coyotes Take Down Mature Buck

One of the wild canines attacked from the front, while the other circled in from the back

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[Sligh1]

I could post 3-4 sets of these a year I get on my farm or buddies farms in area. Endless. That’s what we get on camera!!! & the chances capturing this have to be tiny.

Get bucks like this with coyotes following & then u know u gonna find the buck dead somewhere close …

 

[booneriverbucks]

I should have specified.. weekly pics of coyotes and adult deer in the same picture frame on 4 cam over less than 100 acres.. they definitely get their chances at healthy mature deer


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[Bucksnbears]

Westwind. There is SO MUCH out there on the Web.

Few points I will stress.
A quite acsess. Lots of stands are over before they start because of noise we make. I used to hunt high payout coyote tournaments. I damn near got a chubby watching those that entered arrive that had huge knobby tires n glass packs.

By this time of year, a good majority of coyotes have heard the " bunny blues". Try some coyote vocals and be patient.
And try hard to connect on every shot!!
Hunting the wind is SO important. Analyze every calling spot just as hard as you would hunting for deer. If not right, wait till it's right.
One tactic I absolutely love is diving into thick cover with a shotgun.
Frozen waterways and heavy deer trails can be magnets.
Best of luck.

Can't stress it enuff.
Let the hound guys have their fun. I know lots of them and never met a disrespectful one yet.
Talk your neighbors and their neighbors. Let them run as much ground as possible.

Really guys..., hounds running coyotes will not impact your deer this time of year.
Most hound groups would be happy for you to tag along if you ask them.