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I find this entire argument to be hypocritical, and it is so obvious that almost nobody seems to see it. At some point you have to draw the line on what is acceptable in archery season/black powder.


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Crossbows are the line. It disturbs me that there are so many people that don't see the flaw in the argument for crossbows. Its a dangerous slippery slope to head down. Maybe it is greed, but I have no desire to sit in the timber with a few more hunters around me every year. I thought thats why we let the elderly and physically handicapped use them in the first place, because they dont require the same abilities that a physically able archer is capable of.
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I think we have gotten away from the original post again. Comparing modern compounds to a crossbow is ridiculous! Show me a compound bow that has a stock! The bottom line is one is a gun and one is NOT! Like I said in my first post, it's all about mechanics of the shot. If you are handicaped, it's one thing. But lazy is a whole other subject. You know the guys I'm talking about. The guy you see every year busting out his bow for the first time opening day. That same guy is the one who asks you to help him look for his deer about three times a season. Which I'll add, mostly never recovered. But what I don't get about this subject is the grilling that goes with the x bow guy. Everyone here will agree that x bow for the regular guy hunting won't fly. But people will jump up and down about Iowa shotgun season. If you guys want something to argue over, try that subject on for size. I'd trade that worthless season in for a cross bow season any day of the week. You know the one, where your brothers cousin that has a tag can shoot five deer for the group that's pushing. And you get your tag filled by a guy you don't know because he is the shooter of the group! If you want to ban something, get rid of that crap season.......
 
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The crossbow debate has bothered me now for quite some time, to the point that I have never posed in a picture after a harvest with my crossbow because of what people think. It is very degrading, and it is a real shame that fellow hunters do that to each other.

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ShedhunterMD that is a shame. You should not be scorned because you shoot a different weapon than somebody else chooses to use.
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What gets me is that if you did have your xbow in the picture with you most people who saw it would immediately think you were some lazy slob hunter. Only after explaining your disability to them would they then think, "oh, well I guess it's ok then". So I guess if you want to include the weapon you harvested the animal with in the picture to preserve the memory you'd better hang a handicapped sign from it.

By the way, as a former archer who now uses a crossbow please tell us, is it really as easy as others describe? I mean is it really pretty much a slam dunk for you to sit down at the base of a tree in nice tight funnel come the second week in November and get your buck?
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Seriously, since you're one of the few who have actually hunted with both can you give is an honest and factual account of the difference in work and effort involved in hunting with both?
 
I’ve always wanted to play linebacker, my dream was to be Ray Nitschke and pound the crap outa Gayle Sayers. I learned very early that I didn’t have the physical ability to play that position or any other position for that matter. So then I wanted to be an astronaut. That wasn’t gonna work out either on accounta I can barely add 2+2 and come up with a reasonable answer. I guess I accepted my limitations and I didn’t expect either the Packers or NASA to lower their standards or make exceptions that would have made it easier for me achieve a bone crushing tackle on Mr. Sayers or to walk on the moon.

Some people just aren’t strong enough to draw a bow with enough poundage to make an ethical shot on a deer. Some people can work hard and build up their muscles and achieve that goal and some can’t. Should we make exceptions for them and allow them to use cross bows? I don’t think so. Some folks aren’t meant to be linebackers or astronauts and some folks aren’t meant to kill deer with bows. Perhaps they were meant to kill deer with guns. We are not all equal, nor should we be.

This then begs the question “Why should we let the disabled hunt with a cross bow?” I’m almost to the point where maybe they shouldn’t, but I’m not as uncaring as this post may make me seem, and I’m making a huge assumption here in that I assume the disabled cross bow hunter was a bow hunter prior to the disability so in that regard they have earned the right to continue on.

Let me use another sports analogy. Babe Ruth just got passed on the all time homer list by Barry Bonds. One cheated and one didn’t. Should their records be held in the same regard? No. Should a trophy buck taken with a bow, long, recurve or compound versus a cross bow be held in the same regard? No. With a bow, I pulled the string, I controlled all of the variables, and I killed the deer. With a cross bow you “load” it hours before a deer comes close, and when one does you point it and pull the trigger. The only thing similar to hunting with a bow and a cross bow is the time it takes to scout, set you location, watch the wind and your sent. On those I will stipulate they are equal.

A couple of generations ago we were at war with the Germans, Italians and Japanese. My generation has accepted these countries as friendly nations. A generation or so ago long bow hunters thought the recurve was going to be the down fall of archery. Then the recurve generation thought the compound bow was going to be the ruination of archery. Since then I think long bow hunters have accepted recurve hunters, have accepted compound bow hunters because we all have to pull the string, control the seemingly uncontrollable and make the shot. I personally have more respect for the long bow or recurve archer that kills deer ethically than I do a fellow hunter who has a bow with the latest gadgets attached. I respect them all, but it takes more to get the job done with a stick with or without the bendy parts.

What I’m trying to say is attitudes change when assimilation occurs, it is just that cross bows are too different to be assimilated into archery.

I don’t know beans about “The Books”. Are there separate categories for long, recurve and compound? If not then the method of take, that is which type of bow was used to kill the animal, should be listed.

I wrote this a few days ago and I have debated whether to post it or not. It is absolutely non factual, only emotional. I’m only trying to help explain some of the emotions behind the topic. As far as facts, well, when have facts ever won an emotional argument or even some court cases? Sometimes you just feel the way you do.

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Some pretty good points Bonker, emotional or not.

Maybe we should consider archery seasons an opportunity for those only physically fit enough to meet the challenges. Who's to say? Maybe in this day and age where everything has to be PC it's still ok to set regulations that require a certain level of physical ability to participate. Maybe it doesn't really have to be for everybody. Maybe you're right, maybe even the handicapped should be forced to face the fact that if they aren't physically able to do what is required they should look to other seasons. Honestly, who's to say?

I guess as long as there are more people fighting to keep crossbows out of our bow seasons than there are to get them in things will continue as they are. Like the longbow vs recurve, recurve vs. compound battles this one will continue to rage on. Even compound bow shooters have fought over 65% let-off or less vs. higher let-off bows. Maybe 50 years from now the crossbow hunters will be arguing that the laser hunters shouldn't be allowed during their season. Maybe one day the laser hunters will be fighting the neutron beam hunters (help me out here sci-fi fans). In any case I think it's safe to assume this is just the current hot topic in a long, long line of disputes between hunters. I just hope we can stand united when we need to.
 
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