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Deer problem. I don't think so

moosehunter

moosehunter

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Has anyone noticed how the insurance lobby and the ag lobby has successfully labeled Iowa's deer population as a "problem". I know, I know, it's only words. But words mean somthing. Almost everyone now refers to the deer population as a problem. I think of it as more of an issue, instead of a problem. Too many times, "problems" to our lawmakers to get turned into a "crisis". If it gets there, the IBA may not stand a chance in fighting off those knucklehead lobbiest.

What do you think?.........Problem or issue

There.............I feel better now.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Iowabowtech</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better yet, how about calling it an "opportunity". </div></div>

Or call it a "success". The DNR brought a decimated herd back from the grave. If you haven't read Whitetail-Treasure, Trophy or Trouble?, I highly recommend it.

If we can trust the DNR to grow the herd, I think they can be trusted to manage it.
 
Car Accidents are going to happen, deer or no deer.
Crop Damage is going to happen, deer or no deer.
The only problem would be if the herd had a serious case of CWD.

My daughter and I counted 25 deer in on hay field last night. Nothing else is going to be eating that hay this fall, so I don't see a problem.
 
Moose is right, it may just be “words” but in “polispeak” issues get “discussed” and problems get “solved”. So by ratcheting up the rhetoric from issue to problem the legislature will try to solve the problem and avoid the next polispeak word “crisis”. We may still have some influence in the State House at the problem level, but if they get the issue cranked up to the crisis level then the legislative crisis solving tool box (which only contains a hammer because to them every crisis is a nail that needs to get pounded back into place) gets opened up and the group on the under funded side of the crisis gets beaten into submission.

As far as which level, issue, problem or crisis the deer herd is on, depends on the person you are talking to. Outfitters, NR landowners, FB, think we are at the crisis level and immediate action needs to be taken to allow more deer to be killed by more hunters and some companies will make money while others will save money. Its not about the herd, it’s about the money the herd can generate.

The ‘Bonker
 
Once again Fishbonker said what I wanted to say much better Than I did. Some crisis to note on a Federal level..

Healthcare and childcare. And lets not forget one of the biggest crisis (er, money grab) ever, Global Warming.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'> DEFINITION OF GLOBAL WARMING </span> </span>

<span style="color: #3366FF">"A political phenomenon where undesirable though natural climatic cycles coincide with liberal asperations"</span>
 
To many people is the problem. 20 years ago we had alot more timber than we do now. And everyone wants to live in the city and they build a house in the the wooded areas of the city pushing the deer out. People forget if we bulldoz all the cover the deer stay in, you will tend to see more of them and lots of them cause they all go to where there is timber.Da only us hunters realize this.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Its not about the herd, it’s about the money the herd can generate.
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...or decimate.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Iowabowtech</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Its not about the herd, it’s about the money the herd can generate.
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...or decimate. </div></div>


By decimate I assume you mean how much money the deer cause companies to loose.

Valid point. I'm sure there a many many pockets in Iowa where agribusiness is negatively affected, to an extreme, by deer and that goes hand in hand with insurance companies losses due to car/deer accidents in those areas.

Point is how much loss is tolerable? None? Ain't gonna happen. For zero loss every bug, animal and weed would have to be eradicated. The issue is finding a tolerable loss limit, either financial or herd size that we can all live with.

Part of the tolerable loss equation includes how to clean up those pockets of deer sanctuaries, however they were created, so agribusiness men, private business, and hunters are all equal in the outcome.

I know, this is but a pixel in a several gig picture.

For my own education, is there crop loss insurance available for loss due to wild animals?

The ‘Bonker
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone noticed how the insurance lobby and the ag lobby has successfully labeled Iowa's deer population as a "problem". I know, I know, it's only words. But words mean somthing. Almost everyone now refers to the deer population as a problem. I think of it as more of an issue, instead of a problem. Too many times, "problems" to our lawmakers to get turned into a "crisis". If it gets there, the IBA may not stand a chance in fighting off those knucklehead lobbiest. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we can trust the DNR to grow the herd, I think they can be trusted to manage it.</div></div>

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It's the same old "Conflict", that has been going on since settlers first headed west. Conquer Nature for our benifit. Then it was about survival, and the wild seemed limitless. Today it's about $$. I also think the farther we have gotten away fron Nature the less we miss it when it's gone.I am always grateful, my dad took me out of the city on weekends to the a farm. I learned to love the outdoors there. Many kids don't have that opportunity. Whichever Lobby group generates the most $$$, will get the most action favoring their point of view. Bottom Line!
 
Here's another thing that really rubs me the wrong way.

The insurance industry pays thier lobby to push for "kill all the deer laws" to serve thier own self interest. I'm sure the cost of fixing vehicals damaged by deer collisions in a year are eye opening so what they are doing in DM is smart business in thier defense.

But on the flip side of that. I have some close personal friends who's daughter-in-law works for a large Iowa based insurance company. She has a top manager or executive job. Three or four times a year this company takes 40 or 50 of thier top managers to "seminars" for a week or so each time. Those seminars are always located in Florida, Hawaii, California, Las Vegas or in the Caribbean somewhere. Now, if they are truely working seminars don't you think it would be more conductive to have those seminars say in, Des Moines.

So when I pay my insurance bill every six month's, which just went up by the way, that's the 1st thing I think about. What am I paying for? AIG just got bailed out by us the tax payers, thier top exe's got out with millions, and the others that stay are going to seminars. Now they want to kill all our deer.........................
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moosehunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So when I pay my insurance bill every six month's, which just went up by the way </div></div>

When was the last time it went down??? /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

If (I should say when) this legislation is introduced next session, contact your legislators telling them if they vote for increased harvest, they should demand that insurances rates be lowered as part of the deal. It is always a barter system and it's only fair if there is give and take, right?
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They are all crooks. Insurance is only good if you total your vehicle out. Fender benders it dont pay out for sh##. Then your premium goes up. It's all a big joke.
 
All good points. Unfortunately I do see that other interest groups want to lower the herd sizes below what would be good for us outdoorsman/hunters. What I don't understand is why a good portion of us hunters continue to have the mind frame to eradicate as many does as possible? I understand all sides of the issue. I just don't completely buy into the logic. I'm completly for herd mangement. But, I continue to see posts about running deer kill counts and taking as many does as humanly possible, I seriously wonder if we are not our own worst enemies...No offense to anyone. Just my opinoin. And, I also live on the eastern side of the state where numbers are still considered way too high for the DNR. Sorry to ramble.

Bowman
 
First; Farm Beauru=Kill all deer according to the new Websters Dictionary.

Second; State Farm offers "good students" a reduced rate insurance policy ie; A students get a 25% break---OK if an A student is more responsible and deserves a break, why can't I get a break for KILLIN DEER. Every hunter in Iowa is saving an insurance claim, cause ya just know every deer wants to run into a moving car..We the hunters are the BEST means to control the EXPLOSION of deer in the state. Outside of natural causes We are the only natural predator of the whitetail deer in IOWA cause we don't have any cougers(DNR official statement). Talk to your insurance agent and tell him that you are helping his bottom line--and see how FAST they will tell you that theres not really a problem. And while your at it pull into a driveway with a proud Farm Beauru sign posted at the road and ask to hunt-bet ya get turned down more than your welcomed...
 
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