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Great thoughts and could be debated forever. Here's my take...

A few years back a buddy and I started to hunt the early muzzleloader season. We never harvested any large bucks and most generally tagged out on does. It was fine for us because shotgun season is too crazy for our liking. Well one day a then highschool student, walks up to my buddy and says to him "You guys never shoot any big bucks, you should come hunt shotgun season with us and we'll show you the deer." My buddy laughed and knowing how this kid and his hunting group "drove" deer (literally) responded by saying, "Son when you and I can sit down with our local Conservation officer, and over a cup of coffee, tell him about our individual hunts in exact detail is when I'll respect you as a hunter". Unfortunately the kid didn't get it and to the day his group continues to hunt this way. All I can say is what comes around goes around and they'll have their day! I could never understand how someone could have a buck on the wall of their home or office and live with the everyday reality that he took that deer's life illegaly. I guess the horn means more than the hunt and their conscious isn't genuine.

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You are implying that Shotgun hunters are hunting illegally or atleast pushing the legal limits. Not a good assumption or a deserved statement. I would have no problem sitting down with any conversation officer to discuss our hunting practices, both shotgun or bow hunting.
 
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Great thoughts and could be debated forever. Here's my take...

A few years back a buddy and I started to hunt the early muzzleloader season. We never harvested any large bucks and most generally tagged out on does. It was fine for us because shotgun season is too crazy for our liking. Well one day a then highschool student, walks up to my buddy and says to him "You guys never shoot any big bucks, you should come hunt shotgun season with us and we'll show you the deer." My buddy laughed and knowing how this kid and his hunting group "drove" deer (literally) responded by saying, "Son when you and I can sit down with our local Conservation officer, and over a cup of coffee, tell him about our individual hunts in exact detail is when I'll respect you as a hunter". Unfortunately the kid didn't get it and to the day his group continues to hunt this way. All I can say is what comes around goes around and they'll have their day! I could never understand how someone could have a buck on the wall of their home or office and live with the everyday reality that he took that deer's life illegaly. I guess the horn means more than the hunt and their conscious isn't genuine.

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You are implying that Shotgun hunters are hunting illegally or atleast pushing the legal limits. Not a good assumption or a deserved statement. I would have no problem sitting down with any conversation officer to discuss our hunting practices, both shotgun or bow hunting.

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I don't think he was implying this at all. He was just saying that the group he was talking about was hunting illegally and pushing the limits. I guess I don't see where he said shotgun hunting is pushing the limits or is anywhere near illegal.
 
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Great thoughts and could be debated forever. Here's my take...

A few years back a buddy and I started to hunt the early muzzleloader season. We never harvested any large bucks and most generally tagged out on does. It was fine for us because shotgun season is too crazy for our liking. Well one day a then highschool student, walks up to my buddy and says to him "You guys never shoot any big bucks, you should come hunt shotgun season with us and we'll show you the deer." My buddy laughed and knowing how this kid and his hunting group "drove" deer (literally) responded by saying, "Son when you and I can sit down with our local Conservation officer, and over a cup of coffee, tell him about our individual hunts in exact detail is when I'll respect you as a hunter". Unfortunately the kid didn't get it and to the day his group continues to hunt this way. All I can say is what comes around goes around and they'll have their day! I could never understand how someone could have a buck on the wall of their home or office and live with the everyday reality that he took that deer's life illegaly. I guess the horn means more than the hunt and their conscious isn't genuine.

My $0.02
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You are implying that Shotgun hunters are hunting illegally or atleast pushing the legal limits. Not a good assumption or a deserved statement. I would have no problem sitting down with any conversation officer to discuss our hunting practices, both shotgun or bow hunting.

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I don't think he was implying this at all. He was just saying that the group he was talking about was hunting illegally and pushing the limits. I guess I don't see where he said shotgun hunting is pushing the limits or is anywhere near illegal.

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Of course that was what he was implying within the context of the previous debate about what was fair chase.
 
I do believe that the previous context was the matter that some groups give all shotgun hunters a bad name and he was simply making an example.
 
I got a idea, how about Youngbuck PM's Willie and ask him what he meant by his reply and we would have that part all figured out.
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More hunter against hunter crap.

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Exactly, I have learned a lot with this site and cant we just agree to disagree
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I do believe that the previous context was the matter that some groups give all shotgun hunters a bad name and he was simply making an example.

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And alot of the comments on here do the same thing.
 
sorry guys,
i didnt intend for this to blow up like this. opinions are just that, opinions, and we need to respect that about each other.....
play nice fellas
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I know it is fashionable to bash shotgun hunters on here but I just don't get it.

1. Shotgunners drive and kill alot of does in quantities that archery and muzzleloader hunters could never harvest.

2. Seldom do they kill the mature bucks because we all know what muture bucks do when the pressure is on.

As a bowhunter, I find the early muzzleloader hunters to be by far the mast obnoxious and unethical hunters in my immediate area.
 
I've watched this thread for 2 days now and seen it move from "What is fair chase" in reguards to high fence enclousers to how bad and nasty some shotgun hunter practices are. Fair chase, how can any of us really define what is in our hearts and souls. We do what makes us feel right and as long as we at least meet the minium legal requirements who really has the right to critize us. I seem to remember a line something like " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". To me fair chase means trying to compete on fairly equal level with the animals in their own natural world. I hunt with longbows and arrows that I build, muzzle loaders both in-line and side locks, shotguns with and with out optics, and even an old Ruger single action revolver and enjoy all of it for different reasons. I don't use bait, salt blocks, food plots, fences or shrubs and thorns placed specificly to funnel animals to one spot, or spot light to locate the best animals, or any number of thing that teter between legal and illegal. I do hunt with family and friends using deer pushs and have enjoyed both success and faliure. As long as I can I will continue to hunt legally, ethically, respectifully, and with joy in my soul, and when I can't do that I will be DEAD, if not bodily at least in my soul. Fair Chase in my opinoun.
 
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Great thoughts and could be debated forever. Here's my take...

A few years back a buddy and I started to hunt the early muzzleloader season. We never harvested any large bucks and most generally tagged out on does. It was fine for us because shotgun season is too crazy for our liking. Well one day a then highschool student, walks up to my buddy and says to him "You guys never shoot any big bucks, you should come hunt shotgun season with us and we'll show you the deer." My buddy laughed and knowing how this kid and his hunting group "drove" deer (literally) responded by saying, "Son when you and I can sit down with our local Conservation officer, and over a cup of coffee, tell him about our individual hunts in exact detail is when I'll respect you as a hunter". Unfortunately the kid didn't get it and to the day his group continues to hunt this way. All I can say is what comes around goes around and they'll have their day! I could never understand how someone could have a buck on the wall of their home or office and live with the everyday reality that he took that deer's life illegaly. I guess the horn means more than the hunt and their conscious isn't genuine.

My $0.02
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You are implying that Shotgun hunters are hunting illegally or atleast pushing the legal limits. Not a good assumption or a deserved statement. I would have no problem sitting down with any conversation officer to discuss our hunting practices, both shotgun or bow hunting.

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YoungBuck, the only assumption is on your part. This kid and "his" group continue to harvest deer illegally by pursuing them with vehicles and using rifles. My post was harldly a generality, but a specific situation that happened in my life, and cemented to me, as to how I wanted to be viewed as a deer hunter and how I define fair chase hunting. I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm certainly not against any shotgun hunters here.
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Great thoughts and could be debated forever. Here's my take...

A few years back a buddy and I started to hunt the early muzzleloader season. We never harvested any large bucks and most generally tagged out on does. It was fine for us because shotgun season is too crazy for our liking. Well one day a then highschool student, walks up to my buddy and says to him "You guys never shoot any big bucks, you should come hunt shotgun season with us and we'll show you the deer." My buddy laughed and knowing how this kid and his hunting group "drove" deer (literally) responded by saying, "Son when you and I can sit down with our local Conservation officer, and over a cup of coffee, tell him about our individual hunts in exact detail is when I'll respect you as a hunter". Unfortunately the kid didn't get it and to the day his group continues to hunt this way. All I can say is what comes around goes around and they'll have their day! I could never understand how someone could have a buck on the wall of their home or office and live with the everyday reality that he took that deer's life illegaly. I guess the horn means more than the hunt and their conscious isn't genuine.

My $0.02
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You are implying that Shotgun hunters are hunting illegally or atleast pushing the legal limits. Not a good assumption or a deserved statement. I would have no problem sitting down with any conversation officer to discuss our hunting practices, both shotgun or bow hunting.

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YoungBuck, the only assumption is on your part. This kid and "his" group continue to harvest deer illegally by pursuing them with vehicles and using rifles. My post was harldly a generality, but a specific situation that happened in my life, and cemented to me, as to how I wanted to be viewed as a deer hunter and how I define fair chase hunting. I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm certainly not against any shotgun hunters here.
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Glad you cleared that up, because I took it the same way.

Thanks.
 
One more thing to add to the definition of fair chase: the game must be truly wild. High fences aside, if the game you are pursuing is farm raised, it's not fair chase, no matter how free range it might be. IMHO
 
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