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iowabucks

iowabucks

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The property i hunt didn't get their crops in, in time with all the rain this year. Not sure, but i believe the state pays the farmer to keep the fields empty after that.

I don't know how the laws go, but could it be legal to plant food plots in the empty fields as long as there was no money to be made from it? Or does no crops mean nothing at all?

Maybe someone out there knows more on this subject.



I haven't even proposed this to the landowner yet. I would assume he would know, but wanted to know everyones thoughts first.

This whole year is going to be a drastic change. No crops mean feeding and bedding areas will change. And i had a nice 16 point B&C buck i was hoping to arrow this year.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iowabucks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The property i hunt didn't get their crops in, in time with all the rain this year. I believe the state pays the farmer to keep the fields empty after that.
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I have never heard of the state paying farmers to keep fields empty after not being able to plant due to a wet spring. If this is true, I've got a few acres.....
 
I was talking to a agronomist today and this is the way i understood it. Most crop insurance companies have a June 15th deadline and this year because of the weather they have extended that date back but there is a penalty for everyday after june 15th. He also told me that he is pretty sure that a food plot could be put in but definately not harvested by the farmer or hunter. When you talk about the state paying farmers to not plant this year I believe that is called preventative planting which I also talked to a plant manager and a agronomist and they havent heard of that yet this year but it is very possible because of all the relief money that is going to be coming in. So yes in the end those tree stands over the river bottom farm grounds may be empty this year, I hope not though.
 
I was at the FSA office today and they had a sign on the door that some crop reporting was being delayed (if I read the sign right) until August 15th?

Normally it's required by June 30th so there is all kinds of things up in the air.

No payments to "not plant" that I'm aware of but for qualifying producers (via insurance and farm program compliance) there may be some preventive planting payments.

I'm sure that small unharvested food plots would be fine but here's a link to how the program works and all the stipulations:

USDA- Risk Managment Agency - Prevented planting
 
Preventive planting is what a farmer can use to keep his fields fallow this year. Basically, it is a payment, such as federal aid, but it only covers 60% of the annual crop harvest. So you can imagine if a farmer has paid 225.00 cash rent and 800.00 NH3 on the ground, not gettin much return. You can plant something "non harvestable" there such as oats (oats are harvestable, but also act as cover crop) or annual rye grass. A farmer can't take preventive planting and plant a harvestable crop.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nannyslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Preventive planting is what a farmer can use to keep his fields fallow this year. Basically, it is a payment, such as federal aid, but it only covers 60% of the annual crop harvest. So you can imagine if a farmer has paid 225.00 cash rent and 800.00 NH3 on the ground, not gettin much return. You can plant something "non harvestable" there such as oats (oats are harvestable, but also act as cover crop) or annual rye grass. A farmer can't take preventive planting and plant a harvestable crop. </div></div>

Even at 60% the farmer is going to make money this year. No second nitrogen application, no spraying fees, and corn at 7 or 8 bucks this coming year.........he's going to make money. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at 60% the farmer is going to make money this year. </div></div>

Ya, but that prevented planting is going to be on his production history for 10 years, bringing down the number of bushels he can insure in the future.

Especially for a new producer, if it's one of his first 4 years it's going to really hurt, raising the risk of serious problems in the future with sky high rent and input costs should there be another poor crop year.

Don't forget, we're due for a major midwest drought any year now.
 
Critter, never said that they wouldn't make money, but you need to look at the bigger picture here. When the shortage, corn could see 8 dollars or higher, what do you think cash rent will go for? What do you think input prices will do? What will this do to their federal crop insurance on the amount of bushels per acre that they can insure? What are they going to do if they contracted grain, especially more than what they should have? What will the price of ethonal do? What will the price of cattle and hogs do? If we have a drought year next year and the bushels aren't produced, and they have a reduced insured crop from this year at extremely high input cost?

The norm this year was it cost around 500 bucks an acre to grow a corn crop on rented ground. Next year it will cost in the ball park of 825 bucks an acre on rented ground. Now if corn is 8 bucks and the farmer has a decent crop, no problems, but think about the long term instead of the short term of preventive planting.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nannyslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Critter, never said that they wouldn't make money, but you need to look at the bigger picture here. When the shortage, corn could see 8 dollars or higher, what do you think cash rent will go for? What do you think input prices will do? What will this do to their federal crop insurance on the amount of bushels per acre that they can insure? What are they going to do if they contracted grain, especially more than what they should have? What will the price of ethonal do? What will the price of cattle and hogs do? If we have a drought year next year and the bushels aren't produced, and they have a reduced insured crop from this year at extremely high input cost?

The norm this year was it cost around 500 bucks an acre to grow a corn crop on rented ground. Next year it will cost in the ball park of 825 bucks an acre on rented ground. Now if corn is 8 bucks and the farmer has a decent crop, no problems, but think about the long term instead of the short term of preventive planting. </div></div>

Geez guys.........you make it sound like I'm trying to hack on farmers here. I never said it wouldn't affect them in the long term, only that just by taking a 40% insurance loss this year wouldn't make them go under. As far as the insured acres go, that's why it's done on an average, not a past year total. As much as this year will hurt them, last years booming harvest will cover a-lot of it. As far as the ethanol goes, here's my outlook: I see a-lot of small ethanol plants going under or getting bought out and the larger plants cutting production and putting more emphasis on products that are easier to pass the cost on to the consumers. As far as the input costs go, we had them before any of the flooding started in the state........they're here to stay, at least until corn goes back to 2.50/bushel. As far as the price of cattle and hogs, yah it costs more to feed them, but it also costs more for consumers to purchase them at the grocery store. Supply and demand. I've yet to see any farmers bailing on the livestock because of corn prices.
Remember........my post wasn't a "poor farmer" post. I've got my own corn in this year, and it looks pretty crappy at best. Even though it's a small amount, I've still got a few thousand invested in it.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've yet to see any farmers bailing on the livestock because of corn prices.</div></div>

Ahh Jamie, "our" neighbors have 3 head left in the feed lot right now, and told me there is no way in hell they are going to buy any more feeder cattle with the price of corn.....it won't pencil out.
 
Ghost said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"there is no way in hell they are going to buy any more feeder cattle with the price of corn.....it won't pencil out.</div></div>

How am I going to pencil out the trail cam corn piles to my wife? /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Like every other hunting item I buy, "But Honey, I'm just trying to provide nourishing wild meat for my family." /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
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I know you weren't bashing farmers, but its my job to worry about things like this. It's my job to make sure the farmer has the best crop, at the best input price, to get the best return.

Around here, there are alot of smaller cattle operations that have cut down dramatically, or even quit. The head of swine graphics has stated that a month ago, they were loosing 25 dollars a head on all hogs in their confinments, and that either hog prices are going to have to come up, or corn go down.

The price of cattle has not taken the jump that corn has. At 2.50 a bushel corn, fat cattle were at .91-.93 cents, and at 7.25 corn, fat cattle are still .91-.93 cents. There is still money being made, but the margin is cut by two and a half times.

Some people don't have any other option but to take preventative planting, which is why the program is there for them to use. I'm not bascially worried about the farmer making money, federal government will step in before it gets to bad, but with a corn shortage that there is already, plus the fact that yields are going to be down this year, plus the crop loss, that has me thinking.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CRITRGITR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny, I thought they still had a couple hundred head of breeding stock. </div></div>

Yeah, they do. And he said that they would be selling calves instead of holding them back to feed out. And also said he wouldn't be buying the 300 head of feeders they nomally do.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nannyslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm not bascially worried about the farmer making money, federal government will step in before it gets to bad, but with a corn shortage that there is already, plus the fact that yields are going to be down this year, plus the crop loss, that has me thinking. </div></div>

It's got a-lot of people thinking. Most people don't understand how important corn and beans really are to them, or how much they will affect their daily purchases. Grain prices will affect consumer prices much in the way fuel prices will.......funny how the two are so different, yet the same in so many ways.
 
Oh, and by the way, I'm bailing out as soon as I can! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghost</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CRITRGITR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny, I thought they still had a couple hundred head of breeding stock. </div></div>

Yeah, they do. And he said that they would be selling calves instead of holding them back to feed out. And also said he wouldn't be buying the 300 head of feeders they nomally do.

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Sounds like good farming practice......supply and demand. The stock cows still have to be fed from pasture and hay ground, which in turn has gone up because of row crop prices. They'll still make money off the calves, although probably not as much if corn was back down at 3 bucks a bushel. In the end, either corn prices will go down, or beef prices will go up.....eventually they'll be back to feeding calves out. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghost</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Oh, and by the way, I'm bailing out as soon as I can! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
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I don't believe that.......how you gonna feed everyone in the coming years at the Shed Outing. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
 
Yeah, well since you have the corn crop, maybe you should consider helping out a little. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
 
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