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HF 2296 We need to make some contacts

ElkHunter

Life Member
We have a new piece of legislation that needs some immediate attention.There will be some movement next week.

HF 2296 never mentions party hunting, but that's the intent.


House File 2296
1 1 Section 1. Section 483A.8, subsection 2, Code Supplement
1 2 2005, is amended to read as follows:
1 3 2. a. The deer hunting license shall be accompanied by a
1 4 tag designed to be used only once. When a deer is taken, the
1 5 deer shall be tagged and the tag shall be dated.
1 6 b. The bag limit is one deer for each legal license and
1 7 transportation tag obtained. During muzzleloader seasons,
1 8 regular gun seasons, and November and January antlerless deer
1 9 only deer hunting seasons, the possession limit is one deer in
1 10 the possession of the person whose license number matches the
1 11 number of the transportation tag that is affixed to the
1 12 carcass of the deer taken.
1 13 EXPLANATION
1 14 This bill relates to the tagging and possession of deer
1 15 taken during certain deer hunting seasons.
1 16 The bill provides that during muzzleloader, regular gun,
1 17 and November and January antlerless deer only deer hunting
1 18 seasons, the possession limit is one deer in the possession of
1 19 the person whose license number matches the number of the
1 20 transportation tag that is affixed to the carcass of the deer
1 21 taken.
1 22 Currently during muzzleloader seasons, a hunter may tag and
1 23 possess only a deer that the hunter shot.


This one is a little hard to read. Party hunting was created by a rules change in the DTN and other changes with party hunting could happen the same way.What this bill would do is make party hunting the LAW (not a code change) in ALL gun seasons.I'll not speak for the ML'ers but have to believe most would not be in favor of party hunting.
The most alarming issue was the rumors and whispers that bowhunters should be able to party hunt, that ALL deer hunters be able to party hunt.It's not written in the legislation, just lots of talk.
When Laverne Schroeder,with the Ia. Sportsman Federation stands up and rails about how unfair it is that the Ia. bowhunter can't party hunt.(Not sure why he dislikes the bowhunter so much) Maybe we should ask him. Anyone a member of Ia. Sportsmans Fed.?

This time we need to call ALL the house members and contact the House Resource Committee even if they are not your legislators.

If Rep. Roberts from Carroll Co., is your legislator he needs some extra attention, he sponsored the bill.

Representative Rod Roberts (Republican - 051)
Iowa Legislature
Second Floor, State Capitol
Des Moines, IA 50319
Phone: (515) 281-2813
Fax: (515) 281-2818
WebSite: http://www3.legis.state.ia.us/ga/member.do?id=80
Email: rod.roberts@legis.state.ia.us


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House
Natural Resources
Committee Members
Henry Rayhons (R, District 11), Chair Capitol Telephone: 515-281-3221
Mike May (R, District 6), Vice Chair Lake Okoboji area
Paul Bell (D, District 41), Ranking Member Paul.Bell@legis.state.ia.us
Rich Arnold (R, District 72) Rich.Arnold@legis.state.ia.us
Clel Baudler (R, District 58) Clel.Baudler@legis.state.ia.us
Mark Davitt (D, District 74) Mark.Davitt@legis.state.ia.us
Mary Lou Freeman (R, District 52) Mary.Lou.Freeman@legis.state.ia.us
Marcella Frevert (D, District 7) Marcella.Frevert@legis.state.ia.us
Steven Lukan (R, District 32) Steven.Lukan@legis.state.ia.us
Jim Lykam (D, District 85) Jim.Lykam@legis.state.ia.us
Rick Olson (D, District 68) Rick.Olson@legis.state.ia.us
Dan Rasmussen (R, District 23) Capitol Telephone: 515-281-3221
Nathan Reichert (D, District 80) from Muscatine area
[censored] Taylor (D, District 33) [censored].Taylor@legis.state.ia.us
Dave Tjepkes (R, District 50) David.Tjepkes@legis.state.ia.us
Linda Upmeyer (R, District 12) Linda.Upmeyer@legis.state.ia.us
Jim Van Engelenhoven (R, District 71) Jim.Van.Engelenhoven@legis.state.ia.us
Jim Van Fossen (R, District 84) Jim.Van.Fossen@legis.state.ia.us
John Whitaker (D, District 90) John.Whitaker@legis.state.ia.us
Wes Whitead (D, District 1) Wes.Whitead@legis.state.ia.us
Paul Wilderdyke (R, District 56) paul.wilderdyke@legis.state.ia.us


This bill should never see the light of day.
Please make the phone calls and emails, this is more about what you don't see than you do see.All the legislators are on their way home, catch them at the coffee shop, call at home or email just make sure to do so before the weekend is over.

Thanks
Randy
 
Sorry elkhunter, I guess I should have looked down a little further before making my post, well at least it is up here a couple of times.
 
I know Rod pretty well although it has been a while since I have spent anytime with him. He is a deer hunter or was. I have emailed and left a message for him at home. I will let you all know how my conversation with him goes. I had a very hard time understanding the file. As I read it I would say it would make it ilegal to hang someone elses deer in your garage or transport them home. Hunter and license must be with the transportation tag. I completely miss the party hunting connection. Randy could you add anything to this for clarity.
 
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I had a very hard time understanding the file.....I completely miss the party hunting connection. Randy could you add anything to this for clarity.

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Me too. I don't get it, but then thats nuthin new.

The 'Bonker
 
I'd love to clarify,but it's above me.Two lobbyist stated this pertained to party hunting and then sitting in on a resource committee meeting where the conversations; were this will make party hunting legal for ML and then they started on the bow season. I just got bits and pieces of a conversation Rod was having trying to explain the logic behind the bill.
I would love to hear Rods reply on this bill. The gist of the conversation I overheard was: he didn't like the idea that if you had filled your ML tag you were done and couldn't hunt with your group. Which isn't true you can still be out in the field with your buddies,family you just can't shoot someone elses deer.There is a difference in the code between group hunting and party hunting.
Please Mike when you hear back let us know. I just don't see it in the bills language but I do know what was said at committee meeting.
 
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HF 2296 never mentions party hunting, but that's the intent.


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I emailed Rep. John Whitaker who is on the NRC committee, no reply yet. Reading this bill I wouldn't have been able to link it with party hunting, so I suspect many reps may not see the true intent either.
I personally cannot fathom tagging someone else’s deer or vice versa, the whole idea of it just seems completely revolting and unethical. I mentioned in my email that I thought Iowa was one of the only states to allow someone to legally tag another’s deer...but I really don't know that for a fact...I've just never heard of it anywhere else but here. Perhaps someone could clarify this for me so I do not "stick foot in mouth" in the future.
We have this sticky situation of everyone clamoring to control the deer herd...which seems to escalate into "by any means possible". At some point it seems, as hunters...we need to ask ourselves...what is hunting really all about?
I am well aware that many know no other way to hunt...for them party hunting, is hunting. In some states...shooting deer over a bait pile is all they know.
Hunting for me, means trying to match wits with my prey, not seeing how many running, jumping, panic stricken animals I can blast as they are forced by me. Allowing someone to stand there and kill numbers of deer for which they don't have a tag for...seems to me just as disgusting as shooting deer that come to a corn pile.
Neither involve hunting...at least as I know it...just killing.
For those that party hunt now...I suspect you have no worries that it will be changed anytime soon...after all the auto insurance lobby has no concern for ethics...only that we kill every deer in sight by any means possible.
I hope that every one of you...who truly believes in ethical hunting, and a sense of "fair chase" will take the time to make your voice heard and at least keep party hunting confined to the current shotgun seasons.
 
I too would love to hear Rep. Roberts explaination of this bill. To me its intent is unclear, though I dont doubt it is intended to expand party hunting.

"the possession limit is one deer in the possession of the person whose license number matches the number of the
transportation tag that is affixed to the carcass of the deer
taken."
That is strange wording. It seems to suggest that you can tag somebody else's deer and take it home, but that they could not take possession of a deer with your tag on it? Odd...
 
I sent my thoughts and questions off to my rep and also Rep. Roberts as well as WJS. Hopefully we'll get some clarification before any action is taken. Keep talking to your reps.
 
I sent my thoughts on HF 2296 to all of those state representatives
that are on the NRC yesterday.

Hopefully this proposal will not get out of committee.
 
I received this response to HF2296 from Jim Lykam on the House Resources Committee.

Thank you for the e-mail and your concern on this issue. Here is the explanation on HF 2296, I hope
this clarifies your concerns. This is funnel week in the House and this bill might not be taken up.

This bill relates to the tagging and possession of deer
taken during certain deer hunting seasons.
The bill provides that during muzzleloader, regular gun,
and November and January antlerless deer only deer hunting
seasons, the possession limit is one deer in the possession of
the person whose license number matches the number of the
transportation tag that is affixed to the carcass of the deer
taken. Currently during muzzleloader seasons, a hunter may tag and
possess only a deer that the hunter shot.

Please contact me if you have any other questions or concerns.

Thanks,

Rep. Jim Lykam
 
Clear as mud.

I played phone tag with Rod Roberts today and it is indeed about expanding party hunting to the muzzle loader season. I hope to catch up with him tomorrow and dicuss his thoughts more completely than the exchange of messages allowed.

I see this as a great excuse to buy a doe tags for the early muzzle loader season as an NR then party gun hunt the prerut in Iowa with an Outfiter or other resident. This whole thing sond terribly wrong.
 
When legislation like this passes, then you create loopholes.Too vague, muddied and open for interpretation. If you are going to write legislation make it clear,clean and precise.
 
I received a response from Representative Dave Jacoby on this today and he said that the bill was dead for this year. Good thing, but I did send him an email back asking him to keep our thoughts in mind for future bills as they arise.
 
Just heard from Rep. John Whitaker who also mentioned that this bill was dead for this year...guess that means we'll have to do this again next year
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guess that means we'll have to do this again next year
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Unfortunately I believe that many of us will be continuing to oppose major deer issues with our state elected officials for many years to come.
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Hopefully they can come up with some proposals that we can support.
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