Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Same goes for you SE IA Buck Buster: Don't call yourself a conservative and then try to prevent land use and ownership rights. That would be a complete opposite platform
Same goes for you SE IA Buck Buster: Don't call yourself a conservative and then try to prevent land use and ownership rights. That would be a complete opposite platform
LoessHillsArcher
PMA Member
I agree with everything dedgeez has said, we understand you're wanting to hunt here every year but step back and look at the big picture. Look at the rest of the residnets of IA, the other non-residents who can't own land but still have the chance to hunt here (every few years). We allow non-resident landowners to hunt here there goes lots and lots of opportunities/area for residents and non-residents to hunt.
There is very limited good hunting ground in IA belive it our not, drive from one side of IA to the other and you'll see the vast desert of deer habitat that covers the state... it isn't great everywhere, but when you find the right areas it can be pretty good! There isn't enough room for everyone who wants to hunt to come here every year.
risto2351
Well-Known Member
With the whitetail population going down and more residents finally realizing what they have to lose it may be awhile.
Why fix what is not broken.
No, I am not for many groups, most of those guys here that are blasting lots of 2-3 year olds are a limited group of shotgun hunters. I will say I bet IA has more guys passing 3.5's and 4.5's VS any other state I bet though (yes, mainly bow & ML hunters) I know tons of bow hunters who are passing 2-3 year olds though, TONS. It's not everyone. We're limited to the amount of guys who will shoot 2-3 year olds though and thankfully most of them can't go out til Dec 5 where many get by. There's an increasing # of hunters whose passing immature bucks each year - many because they know IA will allow those bucks to make it.
Then IL- more hunters period- residents and NR's. Out mid-Nov and it's my opinion more folks don't have the faith the deer will make it and more folks need to go home with a buck SO more 2-3 year olds are killed in IL.
FINALLY, go to the EXTREME.... Michigan.... The woods are dotted with orange and more hunters than you can imagine. They are out Nov 15th with guns and they know with how many folks are hunting AND the fact that few bucks make it- they better shoot the 1st 1.5 year old that comes by. With all the factors MI has that don't allow for deer to get mature- it's a downward spiral they will NEVER be able to come out of, unless they change their regs.
IA is the best, relatively low density of hunters VS other states, late gun season so you know bucks will make it AND... This is HUGE.... guys have FAITH that if they pass the 3.5 year old, it will make it and there's a ton of FAITH (and knowledge) that there's a great chance at a 5.5 year old on any property. That's a system that's spiraling UPWARDS as far as getting better and better as long as the system stays in place that allows that COMBINED with more folks who are constantly getting more educated and want the challenge & see the biological benefit of targeting mature bucks and antlerless deer. Iowa has one of the best recipes for success & management VS anywhere out there. There's a million regulations we could look at, I just hope WHATEVER change is made, it won't result in the end with all sorts of additional 2-3 year olds being killed which will reverse what I explained above and put us in a downward spiral.
First of all I don't have an "angle". My posts are controversial because I have stated an opinion many don't like. I and many others feel this bill is reasonable and fair and is going to happen sooner rather than latter. It will not affect the quality of deer hunting in Iowa. If it affects the price of land ;good and if I were you guys i'd purchase good quality hunting ground now. Remember this is about someone getting to have one buck tag for use on property purchased (and usually mortgaged) with hard earned money. Please don't go into only rich people own land ... that is a riduclous assertion. And I have noticed that no one has commented on my question about would there be all the fuss if this were about NR's fishing on their own property?
Seriously? I assume you know you're comparing apples to oranges with fishing vs whitetail. Try to reach as far as you want, but it is not the same thing.
If you are allowed to catch largemouth bass every year out of your farm pond would you be happy? Since you liken the two in regard to iowa resident reaction, I 'll go ahead and guess that you would....since the two are the same. I will support that bill for all NRLO. Go ahead and catch a bass, I'll call my elected officials tomorrow.
You're Welcome.
Thank you ... for making my point . If you are logical and I assume you are you would conclude that your support for allowing NR's the right to fish on their own land would be a gateway to allowing hunting after all both are legitimate uses of one' s property as long as laws are abided by. What makes a deer more special than a bass? Again what I would ask is that all be honest with themselves at the end of the day and realize the true meaning of the resentment is what we teach our kids to not be ...selfish.
hotshott2289
Active Member
what makes deer more special than a bass...? are you kidding me.. thats such an awful comparison its not worth a rebuttal. Iowa cannot support every NR who owns 7 acres to get a tag every year, and if you think different your a ninny.
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Well I've expressed my thoughts and for now I will fade again into the background. I hope my posts will stimulate discussion and I feel ultimately my predictions will come to pass and a bill will pass. For what's it's worth I think this is a great forum and grateful that there are guys like me who just love to hunt and fish. And remember I'll be watching ......
ironwood
Active Member
Following the money is what we are doing. Your approach will mean less revenue for Iowa in more ways than hunting. Your spin is getting old. Still selfish but old. No body in this state supports your appoach. Cattlemen, farmers, hunters. Why do you think that is? I suggest investing in real estate where things are the way you want them. I am sure their are many that would buy your property to help you out GASPIPE.
ironwood
Active Member
rather than charging $1000 for nrlo (some of us may not be able to afford that)to hunt their property why not charge your poachers $1000 you would probably make more money! The size or acres of nrlo property should be considered and reciprosity with nrlo home state to determine priviledges.
ironwood
Active Member
It will never happen. The only lobbiest that showed support for this issue beside FOI will not support this issue next year. I intend to make it my personal mission. Nobody supports this agenda except non-voters. Weird!!!
ironwood
Active Member
Land use and ownership right are not the issue. The State owned Natural Resource is. Do try and make them the Kings deer. The ownership rights argument is BS.
ironwood
Active Member
Not to mention all of the production ground that would be lost to habit should a flood of ruff ground buyers be attracted to Iowa. Kiss your pastures goodbye! The negatives are overwhelming to way to many groups for this to ever make good sence.
ironwood
Active Member
Privledges have been determind!
Ummmm, no. I was responding to the specific scenario you presented. If you are not a total moron, and I assume you are not, you would conclude that I was responding to the comparison you inquired about. After all, both are so completely different, that one would be a total moron to think that they are similar. Good luck with that pre-spawn bite:way:
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I feel confident if Illinois treated Iowa residents that owned land in Illinois the same way Iowa treats Illinois residents that own land in Iowa there would be controversy.As with most issues if it doesnt affect a person its not an issue!
ironwood
Active Member
What is your point? Fish! The problem with your idea of ownership privilege is, your assertion implies the resource is the landowners. It is not, it belongs to the State, change that part of the law and deer will be gone except in protected pockets. Those we can then refer to as the Kings deer. If it were so simple as to just let a few guys hunt their own ground I would say, absolutely let them hunt. This is clearly an accelerator towards privatizing and locking up a large part of the resource for residences. Buy land in Iowa and enjoy it, that is your right and I encourage it frankly. But please understand what a negative impact this approach to allow more NR tag would have on cattlemen, farmer and hunters alike across the state. Buyer would come and much greater rates. Pasture lands and farm land will be lost to habitat. Sanctuaries for deer we be established at greater numbers. The owners will controls those areas. Soon they will demand the right to manage privately. Harvest greater numbers deer for members of their hunt club or family and friends traveling here from where ever. Without access to these sanctuaries the DNR will have little choice but to accommodate. Resident hunter number decline. Revenue from resident licenses becomes a fraction of what it had been. Hunt clubs continue to grow. Cattlemen continue to lose pasture grown to Sanctuary managers. THIS IS NOT A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE!