And another question, I found out today that my boss owns a 800 acre farm in Missouri and gave me permission to go duck and goose hunt it. do you have to be drawn for a tag there or can you buy them over the counter? and is it shotgun only or rifle to? sorry for all the questions guys. I believe he owns a farm in Illinois as well. and he doesn't even hunt. Now he lives here in western, ky and has another farm here but don't think its very big. Hopefully i get to make the trip to Wis in october and hopefully Missouri in November. Ive always wanted to hunt missouri. Alot of people don't give it the credit it deserves. There are some huge whitetail killed there every year. And you take somewhere like here wer i live in western, ky and it's wayyyy over rated for big deer. Unless you got really deep pockets for a lease and manage the deer for 5 or 6 years. I live in Ohio County and i will bet anything that it's one of the worest places for poaching and spotlighting. We don't have a game warden for our county and people take advantage of that. Our fish and wildlife are to tight to hire more and put money in our WMA's for deer. You go down to peabody and u would think quail was worth a million dollars all the money they put in the land for quail. They use to have a quota hunt only during rifle season for deer, then the last week of season was open to the public. But they done away with that a few years ago. I once talked to a biologist there about why they don't have the 15' antler restriction he told me that it couldn't be done because to many roads into the area. Pisses me off because there is only 2 roads that come to peabody. isn't that a bunch of BS? i told him they should take some of the money from license and tags and everything else to build a small building on the end of each road and make the people that are drawn for the quota hunt check in every morning and check out when ther done hunting. and put the size limit on deer. Jus burns my ass, sorry for the language but it really ticks me off. Because when they did have the quota hunt there was alot more deer period there. I can't bow hunt it almost everyday for the first 2 months of season and be lucky to see 15 deer in 2 months of hunting. And i've been bow hunting there in early season for 11 years and have yet to see a buck that would score over 115. I'll quit rambling on about our sorry KDFW but i could go on and on about it. How is the public land in Iowa? i mean one a normal hunt whats the average number of deer you will see in one sit? and is there alot of people hunting the public land there? I'm interested in hunting SE iowa around van buren co or decatur. Thanks guys sorry for the long story i wrote.