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Interesting IBO Speed Read. 400 fps

CurtisWalker

CurtisWalker

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Just read the following article and really got to thinking about the compound bow market and how the companies have all been going in the same direction except for Mathews and their new No-Cam. They may have the next step in the "catch us if you can" slogan as they are chasing accuracy.

Also thought about compound vs crossbows. Compounds are about at their peak of IBO speeds while crossbows continue to increase.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/bow-review-400-fps-bow/400-fps-compound-bow.htm
 
That's a great, lengthy and deep discussion that I didn't realize. The whole physics and laws of physics and the math is interesting. It's also interesting to think of what archery company's tactics will be to continue to make "big advancements" that will create more folks to buy more bows because they are better than what they are using.
On the marketing side, I would actually hope they drop the standard of IBO to 4.5 GPI to "spin the marketing" (not that I'm a fan of that or would ever shoot 4.5 or even just 5 GPI) VS them thinking the only way to grow business instead is to hire lobbyists, increase marketing and push reg changes to get into a new market of crossbows. I feel most of the crossbow pushing coming up will vastly come from the manufacturers VS the hunters themselves. It very well could come from wanting to expand the market & business growth only (especially if folks believe "bows are maxed out" for drastic advancements")
 
I did not read the article. But have read articles that I think were similar. Personally I am glad that at least one company is starting to get away from the speed race. The speed bows, a lot, not all, have become to unforgiving for most to shoot accurately by a lot of shooters. Easier draw cycles will also save a lot of shoulders. Hopefully the light weight arrow phase will go away also.
 
Honestly, for the past couple of years I think most companies gave up on the speed race. If they didn't we would be seeing a lot of 5 inch brace height bows which is not the case. I think most companies these days are going for shootability more than anything. Tons of great bows out there these days.
 
Forestryguy said:
I did not read the article. But have read articles that I think were similar. Personally I am glad that at least one company is starting to get away from the speed race. The speed bows, a lot, not all, have become to unforgiving for most to shoot accurately by a lot of shooters. Easier draw cycles will also save a lot of shoulders. Hopefully the light weight arrow phase will go away also.
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Referencing the Mathews no cam?
I like the way it shoots, I'm not an absolute speed lunatic but that bow is simply way too slow for me. There's lots of smooth & forgiving bows that are far faster. Mathews makes some of those, Elite, Bowtech, etc, etc. I simply want a "good amount of speed" or on the "higher end" simply due to: deer reaction if they are on alert and hear the slightest noise from bow, trajectory- flatter shooting and last- Kinetic Energy & Momentum. The math on the No cam for penetration (KE/Momentum) are significantly less than a bow that shoots accurately & smoothly at a good bit higher speed.

Eventually I'll make it to Boyds but right now, my bow is throwing out a 465 grain arrow at 286 FPS. That's with some extras on the string too, if I changed that up, probably be 290-292. That's a pretty dang heavy arrow to be thrown out at that speed. Injextion arrows, some of the heaviest arrows you can get at 11 GPI + inserts, nocks & heads. This one is throwing around 84 for KE and .59 for momentum. not bad. I know some speed bows will do more and I'll take it if they still shoot smooth and accurate, we'll see. Eventually I'll get to it. Probably be about 10 lbs more with KE and .3 more for momentum - which is pretty substantial, if I were to get a faster bow.

On the flip side, I think the no cams with a 465 grain arrow (not that you'd shoot that but all the ratios will end up working the same) would be around 10-15 lbs less for KE than what my current middle-range set up is doing now. & about .6 less for momentum. then, trajectory, speed to animal (reaction),etc. Too many other nice shooting bows that do have a lot more speed. But, it's all preference and what's important to you. Above just happened to be what I was looking for and happy and I'm sure some folks will be happy with no cam.
 
Interesting read for sure. To me it seems like the only advancements they have made recently have been in their price tags. Every year it seems like they seem to come up with a new gimmick. I recently switched from a mid range priced to high range priced bow and to be honest if you put them through the ropes side by side the benefit to cost ratio is pretty null in my opinion. Kinda crazy that my bow cost more than most of my guns!
 
Sligh1 said:
Referencing the Mathews no cam?
I like the way it shoots, I'm not an absolute speed lunatic but that bow is simply way too slow for me. There's lots of smooth & forgiving bows that are far faster. Mathews makes some of those, Elite, Bowtech, etc, etc. I simply want a "good amount of speed" or on the "higher end" simply due to: deer reaction if they are on alert and hear the slightest noise from bow, trajectory- flatter shooting and last- Kinetic Energy & Momentum. The math on the No cam for penetration (KE/Momentum) are significantly less than a bow that shoots accurately & smoothly at a good bit higher speed.

Eventually I'll make it to Boyds but right now, my bow is throwing out a 465 grain arrow at 286 FPS. That's with some extras on the string too, if I changed that up, probably be 290-292. That's a pretty dang heavy arrow to be thrown out at that speed. Injextion arrows, some of the heaviest arrows you can get at 11 GPI + inserts, nocks & heads. This one is throwing around 84 for KE and .59 for momentum. not bad. I know some speed bows will do more and I'll take it if they still shoot smooth and accurate, we'll see. Eventually I'll get to it. Probably be about 10 lbs more with KE and .3 more for momentum - which is pretty substantial, if I were to get a faster bow.

On the flip side, I think the no cams with a 465 grain arrow (not that you'd shoot that but all the ratios will end up working the same) would be around 10-15 lbs less for KE than what my current middle-range set up is doing now. & about .6 less for momentum. then, trajectory, speed to animal (reaction),etc. Too many other nice shooting bows that do have a lot more speed. But, it's all preference and what's important to you. Above just happened to be what I was looking for and happy and I'm sure some folks will be happy with no cam.
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Couldn't agree more on this, it am sure it's going to be one of the most accurate systems out there. But man, if I wanted a forgiving slow bow, there are a bout a million options that are 10+ years old. I think the No-Cam is a big step back as far as hunting bows go.
 
I could have sworn the IBO was like 300-310 or something but I just remember checking one out at store by house so I could be wrong. If it's 330, ya, that's a lot better than I thought
 
65% let off- 330 fps 75% let off-325 fps 85% let off-321 fps

Just read a guy's review and he chronographed his 473 grain arrows at 278 when at 70 lbs with 85% let off and when he backed it down to 64lbs the same arrow 262fps
 
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