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John McCain's remarks about the Pledge of Allegian

teeroy

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just another email i recieved

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> John McCain's remarks about the Pledge of Allegiance!


In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:

"The Pledge of Allegiance" - by Senator John McCain

As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.

Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School; then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.

That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours, then they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept, four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.

As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."</div></div>
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GregBickal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id rather it say "one nation under democracy" </div></div>

Are you serious?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GregBickal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id rather it say "one nation under democracy" </div></div>


Wow!
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GregBickal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id rather it say "one nation under democracy" </div></div>

thats not even funny.....

"One Nation under GOD!!"
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gundog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GregBickal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id rather it say "one nation under democracy" </div></div>


Wow! </div></div>

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I guess be grateful and thankful to be an American and being able to express yourself and have the RIGHT to have freedom of speech, but wow again!
 
Is it OK if I was a Muslim and thought of Allah instead of the Judeo-Christian version of God when I recite the pledge?

I've always wondered who's God we are under.

Wow. To use a political saying, this is "thrid rail" stuff.

The 'Bonker
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've always wondered who's God we are under.
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If you have wondered that then you need to read the bill of rights, the entire constitution really, the Mayflower compact and a couple dozen more ocuments from early America.

You won't be wondering any more.
 
Opps, sorry guys, I didn't intend this thread to burst into flames with my statement.

First, let me clarify, I am very patriotic. I served in the US Army in from 1986-1989.

I beleive this country has strayed from the origional intent of the founding fathers.
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The phrase "separation of church and state" is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to a group identifying themselves as the Danbury Baptists. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." </div></div>

Read the Constitution of the United States of America...
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html
See any mention of God in that document. No.,

Now how about the Bill of Rights...
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The phrase "In God We Trust" first appeared on a U.S. coin on the 2-cent piece of 1864, and has been on all coins and paper bills since 1938.[4] It was declared the national motto by Congress in 1956. The one dollar Federal Reserve Note of October 1957 was the first U.S. paper money with the motto. [5] The U.S. Pledge of Allegiance was modified in 1954 to add the phrase "under God". Various polls have been conducted to determine Americans' actual beliefs regarding God:</div></div>
 
I do not have the time nor the ambition to take up that debate on a full scale. But there are a couple points that beg to be made. First of all you have to take what Jefferson said in context with all his writings and with the perspective of history. Jefferson believed that there was one true God and said so. Notice that he capitalized the word God and did not use the word gods. Same was true for the vast majority of the founding fathers of this country. In fact this statement pretty well sums it up. "All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

Same is true with the constitution and the bill of rights. Just because you cannot find the word God in there doesn't mean it isn't written on every article.

They understood that the most important thing that a free people had going for them is that they were created in God's image and their rights came from God. This is an extremely critical concept that has been soooo overlooked by our judges and politicians. It is so important because if man's rights are given to him by other men, then men have the right to take them away. But by acknowledging that our rights come from a Power higher than ourselves, we guarantee rights to all men equally because no man can take them away. This concept is a cornerstone of our goverment and the free way of life. Without it, we have no freedom, no inalienable rights.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Iowa1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've always wondered who's God we are under.
</div></div>

If you have wondered that then you need to read the bill of rights, the entire constitution really, the Mayflower compact and a couple dozen more ocuments from early America.

You won't be wondering any more.</div></div>

So if the Vikings had colonized North America what God would we be under? Thor? Odin?

What if Europeans hadn't conquered the natives of the Americas? Which deity would this country be under?

Leave it in the Pledge, as the term God, no mater what God you are thinking about when you say "One contry under God" gives a semblance of a moral compass and with out such a compass all would be lost. It should also remind us that there is room on this planet for all of Gods childern, no matter which God they worship.

The 'Bonker
 
As history moves forward, things change. I think that its important for the pledge to be Politically correct for all Americans, and for it not to convey a negative message to our offshore neighbors who have radically different beleifs.

Was the pre 1954 version really so bad...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all"</div></div>
 
A side note.

How many other nations right now "religiously" practice a daily pledge to their country? (I not actually interested in a figure, it's just to get you to think)

Now take those countries that do, and ask this question...What do those countries think of the United States of America?

The US has subdivided into so many different 'packs' its hard to see the "United" part of our country at times. I always felt the pledge was a way to acknowledge that all our differences in thoughts should be put aside when the country needs us to stand united as one. Sure to each their own, but claiming america as your country and being an american kind of comes with some underlying prerequisites. (meaning if you believe in the freedom of this country, you should be able to put aside differences with your neighbor and unite in the best interest of this country if/when it is needed) (...i know it's becoming a pipe-dream)

As we continue to divide, and countries that hate us continue to UNITE themselves...we could be left wishing that we had paid more attention to the meaning of our country, The United States of America...especially "for which it stands, one nation under god (whichever god, or not if your atheist, as an american you're still an american) with liberty and justice for all.
 
from the state that brought you a Huckabee win..., don't mess with "their" god.

I love the post as well- John McCain is an American hero and should have been in the White house 8 years ago.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GregBickal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As history moves forward, things change. I think that its important for the pledge to be Politically correct for all Americans, and for it not to convey a negative message to our offshore neighbors who have radically different beleifs.

Was the pre 1954 version really so bad...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all"</div></div> </div></div>

I apoligise in advance but the above saying about being politically correct burns my backside!! I personally am sick and tired of people saying to be politically correct.

I am gong to bed, gotta get up and chase some yotes in the morn!

Man that burns my ...... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif
 
I totally agree wapsiguy. If someone doesn't want to listen to the Pledge of Allegiance being recited then they can stand outside or stick thier fingers in their ears.
 
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