hillrunner
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I did not support this bill either, and I hunt exclusively on my own land.
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I did not support this bill either, and I hunt exclusively on my own land.
I think a lot of guys need to step back and look at the big picture. Deer hunting from the states aspect is about population control and trying to balance that to keep all party's somewhat happy. I'm sure the LOT tags originally came about to try and help farmers manage deer on their land at a lower cost, and I would agree with that. I would support this bill if the state could actively enforce the LOT regulation that says the landowner must be actively involved in the farming operation.
To me managing the population means keeping the doe numbers in check. As more hunters get into trophy hunting it makes the DNR's job of managing the overall population tougher.
I have nothing against trophy hunting or managing land for big deer, I love seeing big bucks as much as anyone. But if hunters as a whole don't keep the population in check the legislature is going to keep coming up with BS laws to make it easier to kill deer.
To me managing the population means keeping the doe numbers in check. As more hunters get into trophy hunting it makes the DNR's job of managing the overall population tougher.
I have nothing against trophy hunting or managing land for big deer, I love seeing big bucks as much as anyone. But if hunters as a whole don't keep the population in check the legislature is going to keep coming up with BS laws to make it easier to kill deer.
bigbuckhunter88
PMA Member
I agree, but they're BS laws are not going to work to keep population down when the people who own the land are not participating in the herd reduction practices. And I don't blame the landowners in that regard either with more antlerless tags being force fed to some areas.
Monsterbuck
Active Member
Any updates on this?
Fishbonker
Life Member
Nope. I'm not an expert but I wouldn't look for much action on this bill until after the first funnel which is 3/8.
4 Buck
Active Member
Curious to see why you wouldn't support this bill? Anything that gets me or my family outdoors doing what we love, on our own ground.....im all for it.
hillrunner
PMA Member
If that's the case, why not allow it for everyone? Non land owners could say the same thing, just leave out the " on our own ground" part.
Nobody is telling us we can't go out and enjoy the outdoors on our own ground. What they are regulating is what we can do with the state's deer. Those deer belong equally to land owners and non land owners alike.
The states landowner regulations are already incredibly generous, I get an extra either sex tag and 4 antlers tags on top of all the other tags that are an option for everyone. If I choose shotgun for my landowner tag, it already floats through first and second season.
I feel it's hypocritical for me to support this bill for myself but to be against it for the average Hunter as if I'm sort of elitist who should be allowed greater privilege over the commoner.
This is my opinion only and yours may certainly vary.
Fishbonker
Life Member
Got notified today that this bill will be debated soon, maybe even tomorrow. Daily debate calendar for tomorrow is not out yet. Also of note is the language that would not allow adult LO to use their tag in youth season was not included in the bill.
Fishbonker
Life Member
Passed Senate today 48-0. Now it moves to the House.
bigbuckhunter88
PMA Member
Now next year the bill making everyone's tags good for all season wont be proposed by an entitled millennial with a grudge against the DNR, but it will be proposed and backed by a pile of hunters who think it's not fair that landowners get another priviledge they don't. Might as well just skip the courting session and jump to the honeymoon phase with any weapon, any time, no tags needed.
Swampy_44
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Land owners already are allowed landowner tags. Vs poor people like me who are not granted extra anysex tags. If you support landowner tags being good for any season, and regular tags for non landowners not being good for any season. You are a hippocrite! It's the states deer, not the landowners. Landowners are already granted extra buck tags. Do they need anything else!? Just because you may own land does not make more of a land steward than anyone else. Pure entitlement. Which the majority of people on this site act like... I love deer just as much as anyone else. I run cameras all yr, set multiple lick sites, plant food plots where I can, go on deer rides at least 3 times a week. Why is any season tag good for you but not for me!? Not saying I support it, but why is it fine for landowners vs non landowners?
bigbuckhunter88
PMA Member
Exactly why I am against it in both cases. I've stated it many times on here
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Monsterbuck
Active Member
"Poor people like you" obviously don't understand the work involved in owning land and managing habitat for deer.
But then you obviously aren't a "land steward" now are you?
You think since you haven't prioritized and worked hard to afford to purchase land of your own then everyone must be as lazy and uninvolved as you. If course those who aren't are just "entitled" and haven't really earned anything.
We'll I feel landowners have earned the right to hunt their own land. Doesn't apply to any other piece of ground so it isn't going to effect you or any other person who isn't one of the "entitled" few. But if course you feel cheated because someone else gets to do something that a "Poor folk" like you doesn't. Waaaaa!
If the world keeps going the way it is heading all your socialist dreams will become realized.
bigbuckhunter88
PMA Member
Not arguing any of those facts. One question though. Weren't you complaining in another thread about youth tags not being good during archery season and how it wasn't fair? Teach them at an early age that everyone gets a participation then they will grow up thinking that's how it works. I grew up with a 16 day youth season from ages 12-15. That was one of my 2 allowed anysex tags so I didn't even hunt that season as I preferred bow and shotgun. Now they can hunt whenever they want and failure is no option and they think they can just keep implementing more rules and weapons as adults to keep them from failing."Poor people like you" obviously don't understand the work involved in owning land and managing habitat for deer.
But then you obviously aren't a "land steward" now are you?
You think since you haven't prioritized and worked hard to afford to purchase land of your own then everyone must be as lazy and uninvolved as you. If course those who aren't are just "entitled" and haven't really earned anything.
We'll I feel landowners have earned the right to hunt their own land. Doesn't apply to any other piece of ground so it isn't going to effect you or any other person who isn't one of the "entitled" few. But if course you feel cheated because someone else gets to do something that a "Poor folk" like you doesn't. Waaaaa!
If the world keeps going the way it is heading all your socialist dreams will become realized.
Monsterbuck
Active Member
That's another common sense situation where people who were not affected by a law obviously got mad or jealous and lobbied to keep youth out of "their" archery season. As I stated about that law, it doesn't affect me at all but I'm not going to go lobby to keep kids out of archery season because I'm upset that they are getting an opportunity that I am not.
It's the same with landowner tags. People who are not affected want to cry and complain because landowners may get an opportunity that they don't.
I could argue that those type of people are much more representative of the everybody gets a medal or nobody gets a medal mentality.
People like to talk about hunters as a brotherhood or a kinship of sorts but all I ever see are turf wars and jealousy.
Monsterbuck
Active Member
When I grew up I didn't hunt youth season. I didn't hunt deer at all. I didn’t have any role models that got me into hunting or mentored me. I just had this desire to be outdoors and to become a hunter. I did odd jobs and earned money and convinced my parents on my 14th birthday to take me to the local hardware store and buy me a .22 rifle with the money I had saved. (I obviously couldn't buy it myself, I was too young.)
I grew up hunting squirrels and rabbits. I hunted every day that I could. We didn't live in the country but my sister and her husband bought an acreage and whenever I could get someone to take me over there I went and tromped all over the woods with my gun. Any time I killed something my mom cooked it and I ate it with pride.
I guess my point is that I developed a lifelong passion in those younger years so I am inclined to be of the opinion that kids should get every opportunity to get out in the woods and hunt. I mean nobody is trying to give them unlimited tags or tell them to kill as many deer as they want, we're talking one tag and one deer, but why not let them hunt as many seasons as they need to fill their tag?
It's definitely not easy for a kid to do everything you have to do right in order to be successful. It shouldn't be easy. But letting them put in the time and effort and keep working hard to achieve success is in no way giving them a "participation trophy", it's building character.
Swampy_44
Member
"Poor people like you" obviously don't understand the work involved in owning land and managing habitat for deer.
But then you obviously aren't a "land steward" now are you?
You think since you haven't prioritized and worked hard to afford to purchase land of your own then everyone must be as lazy and uninvolved as you. If course those who aren't are just "entitled" and haven't really earned anything.
We'll I feel landowners have earned the right to hunt their own land. Doesn't apply to any other piece of ground so it isn't going to effect you or any other person who isn't one of the "entitled" few. But if course you feel cheated because someone else gets to do something that a "Poor folk" like you doesn't. Waaaaa!
If the world keeps going the way it is heading all your socialist dreams will become realized.
Then let's allow landowners to hunt whenever they see fit, kill as many deer as they see fit? Makes sense right? You have more buck tags than non landowners ready. If your tag is going to be good for any season, no reason why it shouldn't be good for everyone else.
2 threads going around. 1 for landowners tags to be good for any season. The vast majority of people are all for it! Another thread is for tags to be good for any season. And the vast majority is against it! Why is that?
I personally don't own land no. But I have family that are fortunate enough too. I also "manage" that land for deer. I choose what I harvest. I also put in food plots when and where situations allow me to when it doesn't affect any farming operations. So how does that make me much more different than you?
Monsterbuck
Active Member
You're resorting to false arguments.
Hunt whenever they see fit? NO. Hunt during legal seasons and follow all rules within those seasons.
Kill as many deer as they see fit? Again NO, kill only the deer they have a legal landowner tag for which is one deer. My understanding is that landowners get one any sex tag. They may get additional antlerless tags but those are limited to the same quotas per county as any other hunter. Correct me if I am wrong.
The difference is you don't own the land. You didn't pay for it, you don't pay taxes on it, you have no interest in it other than relatives allow you to hunt there.
Swampy_44
Member
Maybe we can try a civil conversation? Both responses you assume things about me that you have no idea about. No interest in land? My wife and I are saving up just to buy land. Especially with deer management in mind. I also help out on those farms year round, for no pay. I pay my dues, and help as much as I can. So you stating I have no interest in the land is far from the truth. And your assumptions about me couldn't be further than the truth. And I'm a socialist anything else?
You seem to feel that since you own the land you are entitled to more privileges? Am I wrong?