JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
I agree that there was not a voting option I agreed with and thus have not voted in the poll.
Much of the state does care if you shoot a shed buck. Evidence (I'm being lazy here not posting link) is the DNR's "article" or "warning notice" they write up to caution hunters on not shooting shed bucks. It talks about identification & also explaining this temporary season was created for the harvest of does only & folks need education to avoid shed bucks. This is an article created & widely advertised & spread by the DNR. Last year's was posted on here. The legislature has also approved fines for poaching "large bucks"- fitting your example of 200" deer.... It's what, $15,000 or whatever for deer over something like 170" or whatever. Nothing close to that for a doe that is poached.
Not everyone cares if a shed buck is killed- I totally agree.... Probably some hunters could care less & why they blast without care (while others are super careful and another group who simply makes an undesirable mistake). Most of the folks who don't care likely would be on the FB side.... lobbying to kill every last deer.
Hunters & DNR have massive influence & "power" over the management of the state's resource though. It's a tough fight and FB & Brandstad over-ran the DNR & most hunters who felt they had the "biological facts on their side". FB & Brandstad had their own agenda and side to the story- they won that time. This issue could easily tilt in the DNR & "majority of hunters & citizens" (according to DNR's fact finding & reporting on Iowa citizen feedback last year) side. I hope the DNR & hunters (majority) win this one. You might not. That's sure you're right- you've won so far. FB has won the last battle.
I suppose the other discussion we as hunters, DNR, etc have had... we can and have controlled the population with a whole host of other ways beyond rifles in late January. Would anyone agreed we can't do this in other ways that are massively effective? And the bigger point before that- we did accomplish the DEFINED goal SO where's the debate? We had an "Agreement" or however you'd like to term it... Agreement of results has been MET- time to end it as agreed & intended.
Not everyone cares if a shed buck is killed- I totally agree.... Probably some hunters could care less & why they blast without care (while others are super careful and another group who simply makes an undesirable mistake). Most of the folks who don't care likely would be on the FB side.... lobbying to kill every last deer.
Hunters & DNR have massive influence & "power" over the management of the state's resource though. It's a tough fight and FB & Brandstad over-ran the DNR & most hunters who felt they had the "biological facts on their side". FB & Brandstad had their own agenda and side to the story- they won that time. This issue could easily tilt in the DNR & "majority of hunters & citizens" (according to DNR's fact finding & reporting on Iowa citizen feedback last year) side. I hope the DNR & hunters (majority) win this one. You might not. That's sure you're right- you've won so far. FB has won the last battle.
I suppose the other discussion we as hunters, DNR, etc have had... we can and have controlled the population with a whole host of other ways beyond rifles in late January. Would anyone agreed we can't do this in other ways that are massively effective? And the bigger point before that- we did accomplish the DEFINED goal SO where's the debate? We had an "Agreement" or however you'd like to term it... Agreement of results has been MET- time to end it as agreed & intended.
wapsiguy
PMA Member
OK this is my experience from last weekend hunting in southern Iowa.
Myself and 2 friends went this past weekend to fill a couple tags. I have hunted this season in the past but it was always in NE Iowa and on public ground and I have never shot a shed buck but after this weekend I can see why there are a lot of people hating on this season.
I don't remember ever seeing any other hunters up in NE Iowa while hunting but holy crap
the people were everywhere down there. I heard more shots in the 2 evening sits down there than I do during the regular gun season here.
I did shoot 2 mature does and did not see any shed bucks but my buddies saw some but none were shot. It's all about glassing their heads and back legs; it’s really not that hard to figure out. The fawns were everywhere, so many that we heard other hunters saying that the deer were stunted and needed to be shot. I tried to explain that the deer were just fawns but it went on deaf ears.
WOW! Crazy season down there, I didn’t realize how many people participated in the season down there. I think it has a lot to do with the ability to use a high power??
Myself and 2 friends went this past weekend to fill a couple tags. I have hunted this season in the past but it was always in NE Iowa and on public ground and I have never shot a shed buck but after this weekend I can see why there are a lot of people hating on this season.
I don't remember ever seeing any other hunters up in NE Iowa while hunting but holy crap
the people were everywhere down there. I heard more shots in the 2 evening sits down there than I do during the regular gun season here. I did shoot 2 mature does and did not see any shed bucks but my buddies saw some but none were shot. It's all about glassing their heads and back legs; it’s really not that hard to figure out. The fawns were everywhere, so many that we heard other hunters saying that the deer were stunted and needed to be shot
. I tried to explain that the deer were just fawns but it went on deaf ears.WOW!
Crazy season down there, I didn’t realize how many people participated in the season down there. I think it has a lot to do with the ability to use a high power??
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LYON
PMA Member
I had a dream, or was it a nightmare, last night. I was finishing up the late muzzy season and a "doe" jumped up out of some brush in front of me and I took "her" out as "she" was running away from me. As I was walking up to "her" I realized that in comparison to the dead moose that was laying right beside it, this was the biggest whitetail I had ever seen. Where did the moose come from you ask??? Not sure, but it was there. Once I realized how big this deer was I started to kick myself, I just knew I had shot a shed buck. I walked around the deer and sure as the dead moose laying right next to it, the deer was a he :thrwrck: I'm not too beat up about it though, cause I'm confident there was some interbreeding going on between the whitetails and moosen ("Moosen" for any Brian Regan followers) out in those woods. One of the first things I noticed about the deer, after it's enormous size, was that it had a rounded rear-end, just like a moose.......I can't wait to see what those sheds look like! :way:
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
WOW!
The pressure is probably due to the fact that it is the only part of the state still doing the late antlerless season; people driving down from the north.
nannyslayer
New Member
For some reason everyone thinks is the coolest thing ever to shoot a deer with a rifle. I guess because of growing up in a rifle state (mo) it really isn't that neat for me.
It will be over soon enough.
It will be over soon enough.
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
I think that is much of the allure as well. For most Iowans, it's been shotgun slug or ML for their whole hunting life, so some are taking advantage of the chance to use HP.
Brian811
Active Member
What I don't understand is why you guys are all bent out of shape because a guy shoots a shed buck that none of you would have a chance at next year anyway. It's not your ground and nobody owns the deer. Everybody has their own choice on what they want to shoot and pass on. It's done and over with and you still can't let it go. You guys act like anybody who shoots a shed buck whether the mean to or not should be hanged in the square. Would I shoot one, no. But people do and there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not going to bash them or put them down. Congrats on your deer.
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
I agree.
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loneranger
Well-Known Member
Question is,,,,what can we do about it? Like all Gov. programs,,once they get started, you'll never stop them....
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
Try to attend and voice your opinion.
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Unfortunately, some areas we hunt...others rifle hunt....so it dows effect us....here's the deal...the season needs to end...that way no one gets their feelings hurt by being called slob hunters.
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
Sure, whatever you say, hornporner.
I hope you all attend the meetings listed above!
The ABOVE comment quoted -
......Ahhh, I would probably guess a huge # of hunters are in fact impacted by this to a great degree!... Most land is what, 80 acres, 160, whatever. When you see late rifle hunting on most every block because there is so many landowners in any given section in S. IA in particular - you don't think that impacts all the neighbors? When "someone" shoots a shed buck, you don't think a lot of other guys may have hoped to get a crack at it the next year?!?!? When it will be older, actually have a rack & most likely was passed by a variety of hunters the previous season when it did have a rack. You don't think this type of thing is happening on the majority of the blocks in S IA? I honestly rarely talk to a guy who doesn't have a group of neighbors high-powering like mad right now.
Most guys are not blessed with being able to hunt or own 2,000 acre chunks where they can be mostly "insulated" from the groups blasting late season with rifles. and, because a lot of folks on here genuinely care about how this impacts their other fellow hunters & friends- concern isn't valid?!?!??!
"If something doesn't hurt me, I don't care!!!".... I just don't adhere to that type of logic. Plus, I think your premise is wrong and tons of guys are "hurt" & impacted for shooting a "great buck" next year. A lot of hunters care about a lot more than just themselves though. At least I hope & thought they did. Concern for our state, biology, deer herd & their neighbors is a great trait in my opinion. The folks who want to keep this season going, don't care what they shoot (some of the hunters) & know the DNR has reached most it's targets and wants to end season end like intended- I don't understand that logic?!?!X2 :way: Thats my point
Again, unless that deer is only staying on one person's property, your statement is false.
Here's something I thought about tonight....
Is there ANYONE on here that thinks the bucks too little pressure to be killed? Too little opportunity to hunt them? Too few opportunities to die? ALSO... Is there ANYONE on here that feels there's "too many bucks" OR an "ample supply of mature bucks", etc?
So, we have:
-Summer Depredation to kill any antlerless deer (button bucks) & yes, you can shoot a buck if horns are turned in.
-Sept starts a youth season with guns if you wish, goes until Oct 1.
-Oct 1-Dec whatever for bow first season
-Early ML mid oct
-Dec, Gun 1
-Dec, Gun 2
-Late ML season (almost 3 weeks)
-Late bow season
-Late Antlerless season where a large # of bucks have dropped their antlers.
That's FOR SURE, lock solid pressure on bucks around Sept 15 to around January 25 or so. & yes, pressure late Antlerless + all the bucks that are button bucks getting more time to be shot (and a side discussion would be looking at the button buck harvest ratios to demonstrate a lack of proper identification at a fairly staggering rate if we agreed most folks "try & avoid button bucks). MALE DEER in general being killed at high rates throughout all this + the areas of summer depredation (which, I would include, fine even though button bucks killed & antlered bucks) = about 4.5 months solid of male deer being blasted. Is there anyone who doesn't think that's excessive or anyone who thinks it should be longer, etc, etc??!?!
Add to that, the life of a MALE DEER- let's face it, it's a lot tougher and deadlier than a doe- fighting, stress, territorial disputes, locked antlers, POACHING, etc. The life of a buck is far tougher and far shorter than a doe.
Jan 10th for late ML end is honestly even longer than I personally think these amazing animals deserve, I think many others might echo this?? Do these animals deserve a break & is the break ending late Jan too late & long of a season? & consider the stress level, recovery that these lucky bucks (who have evaded folks for 4+ months) who lived are experiencing!
Is there ANYONE on here that thinks the bucks too little pressure to be killed? Too little opportunity to hunt them? Too few opportunities to die? ALSO... Is there ANYONE on here that feels there's "too many bucks" OR an "ample supply of mature bucks", etc?
So, we have:
-Summer Depredation to kill any antlerless deer (button bucks) & yes, you can shoot a buck if horns are turned in.
-Sept starts a youth season with guns if you wish, goes until Oct 1.
-Oct 1-Dec whatever for bow first season
-Early ML mid oct
-Dec, Gun 1
-Dec, Gun 2
-Late ML season (almost 3 weeks)
-Late bow season
-Late Antlerless season where a large # of bucks have dropped their antlers.
That's FOR SURE, lock solid pressure on bucks around Sept 15 to around January 25 or so. & yes, pressure late Antlerless + all the bucks that are button bucks getting more time to be shot (and a side discussion would be looking at the button buck harvest ratios to demonstrate a lack of proper identification at a fairly staggering rate if we agreed most folks "try & avoid button bucks). MALE DEER in general being killed at high rates throughout all this + the areas of summer depredation (which, I would include, fine even though button bucks killed & antlered bucks) = about 4.5 months solid of male deer being blasted. Is there anyone who doesn't think that's excessive or anyone who thinks it should be longer, etc, etc??!?!
Add to that, the life of a MALE DEER- let's face it, it's a lot tougher and deadlier than a doe- fighting, stress, territorial disputes, locked antlers, POACHING, etc. The life of a buck is far tougher and far shorter than a doe.
Jan 10th for late ML end is honestly even longer than I personally think these amazing animals deserve, I think many others might echo this?? Do these animals deserve a break & is the break ending late Jan too late & long of a season? & consider the stress level, recovery that these lucky bucks (who have evaded folks for 4+ months) who lived are experiencing!
Brian811
Active Member
That is my point!! You guys are upset about the guy that shot the shed buck. He isn't hunting where you hunt. He was on private ground that none of you own so you have no right to put him down for what he shoots. You can piss and moan all you want. I don't have a problem if the rifle season ends out here. I don't want to see the deer herd turn into what it is in Pennsylvania. That is the reason I moved here!!!! I don't have a ton of land to hunt. And I do hunt public. There could be a number of reasons that "shed buck" won't make it to the next year. Like I said, YOU or anybody else do not have any ownership of a certain buck. They travel from one place to another. What's the difference between somebody shooting with antlers and a guy shooting it without? You didn't get it. So, are you going to be pissed because he shot it even though it had antlers? If all you're after is bone, then go hunt high fence. I hunt because I love to hunt. I have passed up a number of young bucks, so I'm not just a meat hunter. And I'm not just out to kill the biggest buck I see. I want to kill nice bucks like everyone else.
I seriously dont get a few of those statements....
"U moved here for better hunting. " Obviosuly bigger bucks is the main reason?? Because PA sure has a ton more land & a ton more deer. U don't want Iowa turn into PA- ok, how would that happen??? Regulation changes and bad season implementations would be my 1st answer. Why u likely moved to Iowa over MN, MO, etc or why lots of others choose Iowa over them.
Here's my MAIN issue I really am not understanding.... "the guy who shot the shed buck isn't hunting where u r hunting". I don't get that ... Most hunting in Iowa is done on land not owned by hunter. By permission. Most land has several hunters and sharing land with other groups & hunters is the norm. As well as public land being shared. So- in the main type of Iowa land & hunting- most land is shared an hunted by more than ONE person. Id say most is shared by many. The average sized over hunted land could easily see groups & hunters totalling double digits. So the guy shooting the shed buck is hunting land most on here would hunt as well. Why the average hunter is the one hurt the worst by this season. Their properties are likely blasted enough during regular season before this temp late season was added. Finally- most land is what, 80, 100, 160 acres??? In 640-1000 acre sections for example. 4-6 landowners per section is very common & deer do not just stay on one landowners land. So even a neighbor who shoots a shed buck really is hunting where u r. Unless I'm missing something.
"U moved here for better hunting. " Obviosuly bigger bucks is the main reason?? Because PA sure has a ton more land & a ton more deer. U don't want Iowa turn into PA- ok, how would that happen??? Regulation changes and bad season implementations would be my 1st answer. Why u likely moved to Iowa over MN, MO, etc or why lots of others choose Iowa over them.
Here's my MAIN issue I really am not understanding.... "the guy who shot the shed buck isn't hunting where u r hunting". I don't get that ... Most hunting in Iowa is done on land not owned by hunter. By permission. Most land has several hunters and sharing land with other groups & hunters is the norm. As well as public land being shared. So- in the main type of Iowa land & hunting- most land is shared an hunted by more than ONE person. Id say most is shared by many. The average sized over hunted land could easily see groups & hunters totalling double digits. So the guy shooting the shed buck is hunting land most on here would hunt as well. Why the average hunter is the one hurt the worst by this season. Their properties are likely blasted enough during regular season before this temp late season was added. Finally- most land is what, 80, 100, 160 acres??? In 640-1000 acre sections for example. 4-6 landowners per section is very common & deer do not just stay on one landowners land. So even a neighbor who shoots a shed buck really is hunting where u r. Unless I'm missing something.