Basically same thing here. I have two kids that have cleanly taken four deer from 20 to 70 yards with a 50 grain pellet behind a barnes. This is a proven, very low recoil, load for stationary broadside shots. I have heard of 100 yard kills with it but I'd be afraid of anything over 75. Most kids that can't handle the recoil are not ready for shots that far anyway. One other "trick" is that after a couple years with my daughter I would load 80-100 grains for hunting and not tell her. She never felt the recoil shooting at an animal. I did the same thing practicing for turkeys. Practiced with target load and hunted with full load.