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Monsterbuck said:
Let me get this straight, a pinch of the skin is worse than an electrical shock?

I've had great results and recommend them, Cedar Creek apparently is opposed to them, to each their own.
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A good shock collar sounds a beep for an alarm so that you don't need to shock for control. Your pinch will pinch every time it becomes taught. I might add you'll have one hell of a time training you dog to point and retrieve with a pinch collar. All you are doing is trying to control your dog while on a leash. I'm suggesting there are better and more humane ways; than a pinch collar.
 
cedar creek said:
A good shock collar sounds a beep for an alarm so that you don't need to shock for control. Your pinch will pinch every time it becomes taught. I might add you'll have one hell of a time training you dog to point and retrieve with a pinch collar. All you are doing is trying to control your dog while on a leash. I'm suggesting there are better and more humane ways; than a pinch collar.
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That's what I was referring to in my post, controlling the dog on a leash which addressed the OP comments on the dog being a handful when on a leash in a public setting. A pinch collar does pinch every time the dog pulls hard against the leash which is why it is an efficient and effective tool in training the dog to not tug on the leash.

We aren't talking about training to point and retreive at all here which I would agree a pinch collar would be entirely worthless for but for the issue we are talking about it is ideal.
 
Actually; an electric training collar is a better tool for training a dog on a leash. If the pinch collars were so damn good; why do you think more people aren't using them? I don't see them in most of the stores i shop. And seldom do i see them on dogs being walked. I consider that a good thing! I consider a pinch collar as a lazy man's tool to control a dog. Not the least bit humane.
 
Funny, I've seen a lot more dogs an the leash with pinch collars around town than with shock collars. :rolleyes: Never had trouble finding places that sell them either. You're set on shock collars, I get it, but don't put down a proven effective and yes humane training tool. A pinch collar does just that, pinches the dogs skin, certainly no less humane than an electronic shock. As far as lazy, well I'm sure everybody is lazy compared to you right?
 
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I guess the experts are wrong and you are right? Give it up Cedar Creek you just don't know what you are talking about.

Pinch collars have saved many dogs lives and only should be used, if at all, for a short time just while training. They are now very popular with women, kids, seniors and people with injuries or disabilities. It only takes about 20%, or less, energy to get the same or more response from a dog wearing one versus a flat buckle collar.
Many small people with dogs bigger and stronger than them have gotten their dog trained and did not have to euthanize it because the owner kept an open mind and tried a pinch collar.
Dogs nip eachother at the neck to correct each other, not jerk or choke. Often dog owners have their dog on a belt buckle flat collar and jerk and choke their dog a lot. Maybe it would be better to use a pinch collar and tug two times instead of ten and not be so violent with the dog.
Consult a real dog trainer, not some kid at the pet shop or side-liner holding classes in the park or at the SPCA. The pinch collar is a tool. Half of the homes we go to the client already has a pinch collar because they hear at work and from their friends that pinch collars often work good for getting hyper or very strong dogs under control. We recommend not using any collar, but you have to start somewhere. We don't tell people which collar to use, just the ones not to use.
Almost always people who are against pinch collars have never used one. Usually these people are living in an imaginary dream world where they fantasize about getting their dog under control or off-leash obedient with lots of yummy treats from Mommy for their furry human baby.
What is mean is a dog not getting trained and left out-of-control and having to be euthanized. Usually Food-Bribery dog trainers are the first ones to tell you to destroy your dog when the treat training does not work or later on when your dog turns aggressive.
How could anyone be against something that saves many dogs lives?
The pinch collar was developed by a veterinarian as a safe and humane alternative to choke chains. Pinch collars are what you use on small dogs with easily damagable half-round tracheas like Jack Russel Terriers and Dachshunds with really delicate necks. People who say pinch collars are dangerous are wrong--pinch collars are the safest collar.
 
Monsterbuck said:
I guess the experts are wrong and you are right? Give it up Cedar Creek you just don't know what you are talking about.

Pinch collars have saved many dogs lives and only should be used, if at all, for a short time just while training. They are now very popular with women, kids, seniors and people with injuries or disabilities. It only takes about 20%, or less, energy to get the same or more response from a dog wearing one versus a flat buckle collar.
Many small people with dogs bigger and stronger than them have gotten their dog trained and did not have to euthanize it because the owner kept an open mind and tried a pinch collar.
Dogs nip eachother at the neck to correct each other, not jerk or choke. Often dog owners have their dog on a belt buckle flat collar and jerk and choke their dog a lot. Maybe it would be better to use a pinch collar and tug two times instead of ten and not be so violent with the dog.
Consult a real dog trainer, not some kid at the pet shop or side-liner holding classes in the park or at the SPCA. The pinch collar is a tool. Half of the homes we go to the client already has a pinch collar because they hear at work and from their friends that pinch collars often work good for getting hyper or very strong dogs under control. We recommend not using any collar, but you have to start somewhere. We don't tell people which collar to use, just the ones not to use.
Almost always people who are against pinch collars have never used one. Usually these people are living in an imaginary dream world where they fantasize about getting their dog under control or off-leash obedient with lots of yummy treats from Mommy for their furry human baby.
What is mean is a dog not getting trained and left out-of-control and having to be euthanized. Usually Food-Bribery dog trainers are the first ones to tell you to destroy your dog when the treat training does not work or later on when your dog turns aggressive.
How could anyone be against something that saves many dogs lives?
The pinch collar was developed by a veterinarian as a safe and humane alternative to choke chains. Pinch collars are what you use on small dogs with easily damagable half-round tracheas like Jack Russel Terriers and Dachshunds with really delicate necks. People who say pinch collars are dangerous are wrong--pinch collars are the safest collar.
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Forgive me Monsterbuck! I agree 100% that it is better to use a pinch collar than to euthanize a dog. Or better yet; give your dog to somebody that knows how to train him. I hope you haven't been stewing about this!
 
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