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teeroy

teeroy

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From: Linda.Upmeyer@legis.state.ia.us



Dear Troy,



I understand your concerns at inviting nonresident landowners to sit at the table and vote as these hard decisions are made. At the same time we cannot ignore the ownership of property or property rights in the state.



I would like to suggest possible compromise. Would it be reasonable to bring the nonresident landowners in as “ex officio” members…no voting rights, but still get to be heard. It is possible that agreement with the majority can be reached. I do not support people taking advantage of Iowans’ good will and fair play.



Thanks so much for contacting me on this issue.

Best,

Linda
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my response to linda

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no linda, these are NOT excptable solutions. these are NON residents. they do not vote in this state. how can you, as a legislator, voted into your position by residents of this state, put the wishes of an outsider over that of the people you are SWORN to serve?!?! the majority of theses non residents you wish to hear, are trying to manipulate the hunting regulations of this state, to turn a fast buck, by selling hunts to others. these people knew iowa's laws before they bought the land. ownership of property does not give you a vote in this state, or guarenttee you any "rights" in the say of how this state is governed!



they do NOT deserve a vote, and they do not deserve to be heard. where are the groups representing the hunters of iowa? the iowa bowhunters are the only group on the committee. thousands upon thousands of hunters in this state, and only ONE group is invited to be heard?!?



this whole "avisory" committee is skewd away from those seeking what is best for iowa, iowans, and what is best for the deer herd, and it slanted in favor of those willing to descimate one of iowa's greatest natural resources, for personal profit and gain
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i was so pissed off, i forgot to sign it




on a good note, my response from clel baudler

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I will not support what the Friends of Iowa are trying to do. I am aware they are from out-of-state and are using deceptive tactics to push an agenda that is not in the best interest of Iowa hunters or sportsmen.



Stay in touch and stay safe,

Clel

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iowabucks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got the same response from Linda, word for word.</div></div>

Ditto.
 
Clel is from the town that I work, and Teeroy works in. He is a sportsman who will listen to each and every one of you.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Full Quiver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iowabucks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got the same response from Linda, word for word.</div></div>

Ditto. </div></div>

Same here.
Just changed the name whom it was addressed to.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: risto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Full Quiver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iowabucks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got the same response from Linda, word for word.</div></div>

Ditto. </div></div>

Same here.
Just changed the name whom it was addressed to. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nannyslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clel is from the town that I work, and Teeroy works in. He is a sportsman who will listen to each and every one of you. </div></div>


Clel is a decent guy. My mother was his school teacher many years ago. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

FYI: I wrote Linda several days ago. I got the same response from that the rest of you did. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

My return response may have been a bit harsh??????
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Ron Wyllie
Southwest Iowa IBA Area Representative
rwyllie@iowawhitetail.com
 
a thought that i wish i'd added in my response to linda;

i have to wonder about the ethics of a legislator that would support a group of people who did not, can not, and will not EVER vote for them.

FOI on the deer advisory commitee is akin to china getting a seat on the senate
 
a thought that i wish i'd added in my response to linda;

i have to wonder about the ethics of a legislator that would support a group of people who did not, can not, and will not EVER vote for them.

FOI on the deer advisory commitee is akin to china getting a seat on the senate
 
I have yet to even get a response from my two Democratic Legislators.I guess I shouldn't be surprised...but yet I am.
I've got a few more ideas to get their attention before I resort to legal tactics.(meaning my wifes law firm).
 
I got the same thing from her here's what I responded with.

Ms. Upmeyer,

Thank you for responding to my original e-mail reference SF 338. I would like to respond to your suggestion of a compromise with a resounding NO. Be advised that the "Friends of Iowa landowners and sportsman" are anything but. As an Iowa sportsman myself I look at that title as an insult. This is a group of NONresidents that we are discussing. Why should they, as NONresidents of the state of Iowa, have any input into the way the state of Iowa governs its natural resources? These "friends" of ours are doing nothng more than trying to manipulate Iowa's deer hunting regulations for their personal financial gain. Iowa's resident sportsman should be offended that the very people that they elected to look after the the best interests of Iowans' are even considering compromising with a group of outsiders who want to take advantage of Iowa's great natural resources. These folks knew the existing regulations when they bought thier land, and if they didn't, ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. They shouldn't be allowed to cry foul because they aren't able to capitalize under the regulations in place.

I have an idea for a compromise myself Ms. Upmeyer. Instead of inviting the "Friends of Iowa" to sit at the table, show them the door. Then invite a true Iowa conservation group such as Pheasants Forever, the National Wild Turkey Federation, or Whitetails Unlimited to sit at the table. All of the mentioned organizations are active at the state level, are made up of Iowans, and an overwhelming majority of PF and NWTF members are also deer hunters.

In your response to my e-mail you said that you "do not support people taking advantage of Iowans' good will and fair play". That statement to me suggests that you will do the right thing for the people you serve and oppose the placement of the "Friends of Iowa" onto the deer study advisory committee. I hope you do.
 
From: Linda.Upmeyer@legis.state.ia.us



Dear Troy,



I understand your concerns at inviting nonresident landowners to sit at the table and vote as these hard decisions are made. At the same time we cannot ignore the ownership of property or property rights in the state.



I would like to suggest possible compromise. Would it be reasonable to bring the nonresident landowners in as “ex officio” members…no voting rights, but still get to be heard. It is possible that agreement with the majority can be reached. I do not support people taking advantage of Iowans’ good will and fair play.

Her very own words show duplicity, because they are ignoring owner ship and property rights in the State. I both own property and have voting rights in the State of Iowa but not only am I not on the board as a voting or even non voting member but I can't even address the board in any official way. Doesn't that exclude me and ignore my rights? The vast majority of Iowan sportsmen say no to this proposal of adding FOI to the board so it seems to me that there is already a majority agreement to exclude FOI both officially and "ex officio" so do not include them!!!
 
what i wrote -

I have to wonder about the ethics of a legislator that would support a group of people who did not, can not, and will not ever vote for them.

what she wrote back -

Dear Josh,

Let me be clear. I don’t know what part of my email that you do not understand. Listening to someone does not equate to support. Take your email as an example. I had no reason to respond to your initial email, and it appears that I should not have. But I do make it a practice of responding to all my email, and not just those who live in my district. Let me ask how many legislators have you heard of?



I will tell you that if you read my email, I have asked a question and suggested one possible solution. I did NOT say it was the only perspective. But I WILL tell you that you have no right to question my ethics-you don’t even know me or my work. And you do NOT vote for or against me. I DO know that this interest group is the rudest group of people I have ever dealt with. My son is a bow hunter, and I hope he never joins your group if this is the result.



Thank you for your input.


any of you guys get this back?
 
Here is my reply:

"Linda,

Thank you for your reply. As a voter and tax payer in our fine state I just hate to see our laws and regulations changed to cater to those who will not have to face the long term consequences of such changes. Many of those fighting to change the set guidelines have hidden agendas that are hard to understand if you are a non-hunter. Neighboring states have been introduced to such "agendas" and the quality of outdoor life in general has suffered while the outfitters reap the rewards of the States PREVIOUS quality management. If this were not true then why would they even need to purchase land in Iowa to hunt? Iowa is one of the few states left that IS doing it right. ALL non-residents knew the laws and limitations BEFORE they purchased property here and now want the best of both worlds. Their "ownership" of property should not allow them to sway any decisions regarding the job at hand....and that is keeping this state what it IS and not what they think it should be.

Thank you for your support on this issue."
 
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