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Shovelbuck
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No i haven't. Matchedset from this site makes nice ones from osage.
Hardcorehunter
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Hi Guys, been away from the puter for a while. Here is an example of what just isn't hunting imo. "I put a food plot out that is 35 yds X 35 yds. I have 4 trail cameras pointing at this food plot. Since deer are very easy to pattern, in early season, and my home computer has been receiving images from my trail cams every day, I am pumped! They show a 170" class buck showing up everyday,for the last two weeks in Sept at 3:00. I can set my clock by this patterned buck. I don't even have to spook him by checking my SD memory card, as my computer and phone are receiving these images. Since this food plot is only 35 yds X 35 yds, and it is sugar beets(man the deer love this "natural food), all I have to do is crawl in my blind or treestand, several hours before 3 pm. Since anywhere he steps in this food plot is within bow range, I should get him."
Now, let's see, this is Hunting? If this is hunting, NO THANKS! No time in the field, using a small, baited area, and electronics to monitor what is going on in the woods? Woo Hoo, what a blast! What is sad, is the same People that think this is hunting, will call fowl if a guy took corn and spread it with his ATV in a 35 yd X 35 yd area, used no cameras, and just hunted hard every day, learning where and what time deer show up and what class of bucks are showing up with his OWN EYES. hoping a shooter would step into the area. How about rigging a bow to a mount in the woods, and you can aim/shoot it at home a joystick from your computer? Not in favor of this? What's the difference?
Now, let's see, this is Hunting? If this is hunting, NO THANKS! No time in the field, using a small, baited area, and electronics to monitor what is going on in the woods? Woo Hoo, what a blast! What is sad, is the same People that think this is hunting, will call fowl if a guy took corn and spread it with his ATV in a 35 yd X 35 yd area, used no cameras, and just hunted hard every day, learning where and what time deer show up and what class of bucks are showing up with his OWN EYES. hoping a shooter would step into the area. How about rigging a bow to a mount in the woods, and you can aim/shoot it at home a joystick from your computer? Not in favor of this? What's the difference?
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Hardcorehunter
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Weight Watchers called
Hardcorehunter
UL Shelter/Stove Geek
Well good for you. Now, we all know you dont have a problem with the 1st scenario, how do you feel about the 2nd?
DWilk
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Hardcore... you gotta learn to take a little razzing man!
You just posted about shooting 2 does out of your heated ground blind at 200 and 300 yards... and you preach about fair chase haha. We're all hunters here.
I agree. There should be a line, but you just flat can't compare food plots to corn piles. They are not the same, period.
You just posted about shooting 2 does out of your heated ground blind at 200 and 300 yards... and you preach about fair chase haha. We're all hunters here.
I agree. There should be a line, but you just flat can't compare food plots to corn piles. They are not the same, period.
Hardcorehunter
UL Shelter/Stove Geek
Who said a corn pile? 35 X 35 yd spread of corn, my own time in the field, no cameras, verse a 35 X 35 yd of sugar beets and trail cameras sending images to my smart phone. Why is the corn illegal? Forced to choose, I'll take the corn as more fair chase.
DWilk
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Ok,
- Deer aren't going to prefer sugar beets year round. They will always eat shelled corn.
- Planting and maintaining a decent food plot takes a lot of work. Spreading out corn doesn't.
- Once a food plot is fed out, its done. You can keep refreshing a corn pile.
- You can't plant a food plot in the middle of a perfect travel corridor or timber... you can throw out corn anywhere.
- Camera's don't show you everything, especially with regards to mature deer. If a buck is showing himself daily, on a food plot, during daylight, during the season, he is going to be showing himself regularly any way you hunt him.... he is by far the exception... and you will have just as good of odds killing him whether you are hunting with cameras or not. Late season can come close, but that is more because deer are in a feeding pattern by nature and for survival. They are going to be going to the food whether you have a plot or not.
- Have you ever implemented a food plot program? There is so much more that goes into it than you realize. It's never that cut and dry.
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AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:way:
Talonted
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It's all in how you use the cameras, don't take the opinion that all of us are using the scenario you described as it is fo far off from reality...
I've used cameras for 5 years, and have shot only 1 buck on my "to shoot if the opportunity arrises" list. I LOVE knowing whats out there, even if I don't see them. My number 1 buck this year I only saw in a field once while I was driving, the only reason I knew he was around was from the cameras. I could not pattern him as he seems to live on 5 different properties and he flat outsmarted me everyday. I have over 40 pics, with no personal encounters. But I knew he was there and it kept me going back to this property (with very few deer) and I think about him every day, I am addicted to finding him but without cameras, I'd have nothing.
I will continue to use cameras as a they are vital to me with all the local hunting pressure on the areas I hunt. I spend every minute of every free day outside scouting and trying to understand what is going on as the seasons progress, so please don't assume because someone chooses to use cameras, that they aren't "oldschool" or don't hunt how you think they should...
Just my opionion....
I've used cameras for 5 years, and have shot only 1 buck on my "to shoot if the opportunity arrises" list. I LOVE knowing whats out there, even if I don't see them. My number 1 buck this year I only saw in a field once while I was driving, the only reason I knew he was around was from the cameras. I could not pattern him as he seems to live on 5 different properties and he flat outsmarted me everyday. I have over 40 pics, with no personal encounters. But I knew he was there and it kept me going back to this property (with very few deer) and I think about him every day, I am addicted to finding him but without cameras, I'd have nothing.
I will continue to use cameras as a they are vital to me with all the local hunting pressure on the areas I hunt. I spend every minute of every free day outside scouting and trying to understand what is going on as the seasons progress, so please don't assume because someone chooses to use cameras, that they aren't "oldschool" or don't hunt how you think they should...
Just my opionion....
Hardcorehunter
UL Shelter/Stove Geek
Deer can eat corn during any of the the season, from any field, so sugar beet, clover, or other NON FARMED crops in Iowa, actually have a huge advantage to luring deer, over corn spread over an area. Corn isn't rare, food plot food is.
What does work or time of getting bait out have to do with the ethics of fair chase?
The unnatural, rare food plot should last long enough to kill a deer un fairly over it.
All u need is a little clearing in the woods, and you can plant a food plot in the timber. An unnatural food plot CREATES travel corridors to it.
- Camera's don't show you everything, especially with regards to mature deer. If a buck is showing himself daily, on a food plot, during daylight, during the season, he is going to be showing himself regularly any way you hunt him.... he is by far the exception... and you will have just as good of odds killing him whether you are hunting with cameras or not. Late season can come close, but that is more because deer are in a feeding pattern by nature and for survival. They are going to be going to the food whether you have a plot or not.
Hardcorehunter
UL Shelter/Stove Geek
Agreed......
Hardcorehunter
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guided hunts are using a guy or gal that knows the area, still fair chase. Sitting at home, while my smart phone gets messages from my trail cam over a sugar beet plot showing a buck feeding in my 35 X 35 yd plot each day at 3 is not fair chase imo.
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