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One of these things doesnt belong.....

Definitely sounds like someone got a steal.

The world of land selling has changed a lot in the last 20 years, in the era of widespread internet use. Mom & pop small-town "old school" real estate brokerages used to dominate, but that has changed drastically, in southern Iowa anyway. Now a lot more land is sold through land-specialist brokerages, and I think that's a good thing on balance because it means sellers are getting more value out of their land and buyers are getting more information ahead of time on their raw land purchases than they used to.

Now it seems like a lot of the old school small-town brokerages are selling mostly residential stuff with maybe a little land mixed in. I've got a bit of a pet peeve about small-town brokerages trying to sell land if they're not land specialists. I actually just did a video last week and posted on my agent web site about why you shouldn't use a residential realtor to sell land. Seems like some of the small-town brokerages have made a conscious decision not to advertise in a way that has a larger reach, or maybe they're just ignorant, I don't know. Last year I had a small-town realtor in south central Iowa tell one of my selling clients that there is "no way" they'd be able to sell their land at that price *to a local landowner*. You won't be surprised to learn that we weren't specifically targeting local landowners, a local landowner didn't end up buying it, and we did get *every bit of that price*. Age of the Internet.
This is a great read for those new to land sales and purchases, especially thru auction companies.

There is a local auction company in N. Mo. And I'm surprised anyone gives them any business considering the way they advertise/market the properties they get.
Whenever I call them for information on a property they have none of it available, no plat maps, no soil surveys, no aerials. It's absolutely crazy to me. Yet, they've been in that area for 30 or 40 years, and the locals will still give them the business. I just shake my head because they are doing such a disservice to both the buyers and seller. As a buyer, I can probably buy some of that ground cheaper than a well run auction, but I get so frustrated at the lack of information available I quit the pursuit.

So, the above post is something I've experienced first hand. As a seller, I'd NEVER hire some of the companies out there.
 
There was a recent auction in Minnesota where the property was worth around 5000/ac and it sold for $3500 ac. The auction was online bidding, and you needed a huge cashier check to secure a bidding number, plus it ended Monday at noon…

It cost the owner several thousand (around 200k) to go that route. If it was listed it would have had multiple offers at 4500 ac+.

First off, rec buyers want to know the price they are paying, walk it on a day they have time (not when everyone else is out there ). Negotiate the earnest money and terms . You can’t do any of that, so a lot of guys just don’t participate.

I’ve seen that happen quite a few times now. Auctions seem to work better on good quality farm land, where 2-3 farmers want to bad, and they bid it up !
 
This is a great read for those new to land sales and purchases, especially thru auction companies.

There is a local auction company in N. Mo. And I'm surprised anyone gives them any business considering the way they advertise/market the properties they get.
Whenever I call them for information on a property they have none of it available, no plat maps, no soil surveys, no aerials. It's absolutely crazy to me. Yet, they've been in that area for 30 or 40 years, and the locals will still give them the business. I just shake my head because they are doing such a disservice to both the buyers and seller. As a buyer, I can probably buy some of that ground cheaper than a well run auction, but I get so frustrated at the lack of information available I quit the pursuit.

So, the above post is something I've experienced first hand. As a seller, I'd NEVER hire some of the companies out there.

Good comments and I see that a LOT, particularly with some of the big auction companies. A lot of times they'll have a grand total of maybe 5-10 photos on the auction listing for a 100+ acre property, and none of them very good. Almost certainly no trail camera photos. You certainly are not getting a very personalized level of service like you are from a lot of land agents.

The honest truth is that who a land seller lists their land with most often has to do with one thing. $. Snazzy advertising, good reputation and track record of sales only go so far when there is someone out there who says they can get them more $ for their land, or can do it at some crazy low commission rate.

Whoever gives them the prospect (whether real or not) of walking away with more money in their pocket, more often than not, that is who they're going to list with. And who can blame them? But the unfortunate reality is that promises and projections are cheap and the end result in those situations where expectations are set poorly is often a landowner who is not happy on closing day with the amount he walk$ away with in his pocket. A lot of landowners don't stop to wonder whether that much lower commission quote from the realtor is going to get the landowner the same level of service or advertising as someone who might charge a little more normal commission amount. Saving $10,000 on commission isn't worth much if you lose out on $25,000 of sale price because you got a shoddy quality listing that wasn't marketed thoroughly and properly, with sub-par quality photos. I know it's a cliche, but in land selling it often is in fact true that "you get what you pay for".

I did a land evaluation down in Missouri a few months ago on some tillable land that was "Fair to Middling" quality. I suggested a list price a little over $5k/acre because I thought that was pretty close to the market with a little bit on top for negotiation with a buyer. I've got a farmer friend who lives in the area and he backed up my idea of market value. The landowner got back to me and said he was going to go with a different realtor (he told me who) who had told him he was confident he could get him (I'm not going to say the exact figure)....a couple thousand more per acre. Not a realistic expectation at all, there's no way that land would sell for that, especially in this market and with corn and beans priced where they are currently. I told the landowner to be careful about locking himself into a 6-month exclusive contract to sell with anything *close* to that expectation on $ale price. He said thanks for the input and that's the last I heard from him. I haven't seen it listed yet by that other realtor, so who knows, maybe the landowner had 2nd thoughts and is still considering options.

Landowners have the final say on list price no matter what the realtor says, but it's true to say that some (not all) realtors are so eager to get any listing that they will gladly go along with the number the landowner wants even if it's not anywhere close to realistic. That only hurts the process because it leaves the landowner with a "professional" opinion that their land actually is worth whatever high number they sometimes think, even if it's not realistic. They probably don't feel the same way on closing day 5 months later, though, when they "settled" for a number....much lower. Again, all about expectations setting.

One of my really big pet peeves is with some of these big auction houses that have a "buyer fee" on top of the final auction winning bid price. That way they can sell the landowner on their services with the pitch that "the buyer will pay our fee and you will owe us little or nothing, how can you lose?!?!" This is undoubtedly a *very* enticing sales pitch for land sellers who aren't experienced at selling. In many cases likely an older couple, a widow or widower, or grown children who are heirs of a property they don't have any remaining connection with and just want to sell and get as much money as they can. Again, who wouldn't want that??? But savvy land buyers know the "buyers fee" game at auctions, and they're going to bid that much less because they know they're going to have to pay the "buyers fee" on top of what the auction winning bid is. So in reality the land seller is very likely not walking away from the auction with more money in their pocket, and in fact may be walking away with less because of the lesser personalized service and experience of selling land through a traditional listing vs. an auction by an auction company that sells anything anyone wants to auction and doesn't really specialize in marketing to land buyers.
 
There was a recent auction in Minnesota where the property was worth around 5000/ac and it sold for $3500 ac. The auction was online bidding, and you needed a huge cashier check to secure a bidding number, plus it ended Monday at noon…The differences and pros/cons between absolute auctions and reserve auctions is a topic I have had many a conversation with landowners about. It's also one of the reasons I generally think rec/hunting land ground isn't the best candidate for a highly successful land auction.

It cost the owner several thousand (around 200k) to go that route. If it was listed it would have had multiple offers at 4500 ac+.

First off, rec buyers want to know the price they are paying, walk it on a day they have time (not when everyone else is out there ). Negotiate the earnest money and terms . You can’t do any of that, so a lot of guys just don’t participate. 100%.

I’ve seen that happen quite a few times now. Auctions seem to work better on good quality farm land, where 2-3 farmers want to bad, and they bid it up! Totally right. When I talk to rec/hunting land sellers my standard comment is that high quality tillable farmland in a really good farm neighborhood is always the best candidate for an auction and rec/hunting land has a better chance of bringing more $ in a traditional listing, just as a general rule. My only caveat might be if the hunting land being sold was in a very well-known premium deer management neighborhood and you just absolutely knew there were multiple neighbors in the area who would want to get in on the bidding action to add to their holdings. It would make more sense in a situation like that, but I think a lot of that kind of land never sees daylight on the public land sale market, it changes hands privately more often than not.
 
I know of 200 acres within 45 mins of Des Moines…. I think it’s about 40% timber & the rest is all income. I think the income is like $30k-ish a year. Great soils & income: CRP & crops. I
Also think there’s a CSP on it that pays like $5-15k a year (I can’t recall exactly on that one). Lays nice, great genetics, mature deer, ponds, etc.
I think farm can be bought for like $5500. It’s not mine but I know the owner. He told me this and was thinking of folks here if anyone ever thought “I can’t find a good buy. Things are crazy”. $5500 for 60% income, good hunting, convenient, good soils - those are buys in todays market no one could ever complain about.

& remember - as things have gotten “nuts” …. With 20-30% inflation…. A farm that’s worth, say, $10k today would the same thing as owning it pre-inflation & paying $7-8k per acre.
 
Interesting, poorly advertised auction or something?

Just a few months before I bought my farm the end of 21' i nearly went to an auction for a 79 acre piece in southern IA. I called the auctioneer and spoke with him. Even went down and drove around. Didn't end up going to the auction. Not a very well advertised auction, sort of a an ol'boy small town country auctioneer type. It was actually 278 acres going to auction in two parcels. Whoever won the per acre bid could chose to purchase both parcels at that price per acre, or one of the two at their winning bid per acre price and then the other would go up for auction again.

I couldn't get the day off work, I asked if I could have someone go down and bid in my place for me, that was good to do. This was just before I had really started to play with loan calculators and realizing what I could actually afford. I was going to have my dad go down and bid for me. I ended up telling him dont bother, i probably can't afford it, or it will go for to much, or there will be so many people there I wont win. That was a mistake, the winning bid ended up being $2246 per acre. Absolute steal. Had I bought that I could have flipped that pretty quick and probably double acreage size by now.
Man... I don't remember this one for some reason.
 
One other thing to be possibly wary of with land auctions in general but particularly for rec/hunting land auctions, is that some auction houses do not work with buyer's agents in bringing a buyer to their land "auctions", only to their "traditional" land for sale listings (and sometimes it's pretty tough to get listing agents to return calls to buyer's agents on those listings too - ask me how I know). That means the listing brokerage that does the auction gets "both sides" of the sale commission, regardless of whether the seller ends up getting the best value for the sale of their land. Now I'm just as eager as any other realtor to have as much "take-home" commission as possible on my deals on closing day, but it's also a truth that sometimes cutting buyer's agents out of the equation means a smaller pool of buyers for the land being auctioned off, and less competition among bidders. You know what less competition means? Lower prices for the seller. But if the auction house/listing brokerage is getting "both sides of the commission" on those deals, they're still pretty happy at the end of the day regardless. Just saying this is one among many issues to consider.

Another thing is who pays to advertise the land auction? If it's an "absolute auction" (winning bidder gets the land) then often the listing brokerage will pay for most or all of the advertising because they know the land *will* sell at the end of the auction. But if it's a "reserve auction" (winning bidder only gets the land if it meets the seller's "reserve" price), well....if it ends up being a "no sale", then guess who is likely to be on the hook for the advertising costs? The seller. That could be a couple thousand bucks to $5k or more, depending on how widely it was advertised and in what types of media. With a traditional land listing, I always pay for any special advertising I normally do for my sellers. But with a reserve auction, if I had no idea whether the seller would accept the winning bid at the end of the auction, it wouldn't make much financial sense for me to pay for all the auction advertising out of my pocket without knowing whether I'd get that back or not from the land selling on auction day.
 
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