First Id like to say hello to everyone. Ive been lurking out here for over a year now, reading everything you guys write. I have to say this is the best site out there, you guys are great. Im in north central Illinois, lee county to be exact. The other day I mowed my first year switch because there was to much foxtail. I want to have one of my farming neighbors apply a couple thousand pounds of lime per acre this fall or winter, I also want to burn it off next spring and apply round-up and attrazine at greenup. My question is this, if I burn this off, am I going to effect the limestone that was applied? I didnt know if this would or not. Thanks guys and good hunting to you all.
dbltree
Super Moderator
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if I burn this off, am I going to effect the limestone that was applied? </div></div>
Welcome to IW! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
I can't say that I have ever tried it but limestone is well...rock! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif It's just pulverized limestone /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
I don't think fire would have any effect on the limestone but perhaps nannyslayer might be aware of something I'm missing (he's kind of "in to" that stuff... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
Good question though...that's what were here for! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
Welcome to IW! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
I can't say that I have ever tried it but limestone is well...rock! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif It's just pulverized limestone /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
I don't think fire would have any effect on the limestone but perhaps nannyslayer might be aware of something I'm missing (he's kind of "in to" that stuff... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
Good question though...that's what were here for! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
Fishbonker
Life Member
What were limestone kilns used for? Didn't lime get heated up to make an ingredient for mortar? Limestone needed to be heated to 800-900C so if you burned the field and the temp reached 800-900C (if that is even possible with the fuel provided) could you turn the field into a parking lot? I doubt it, but it is something to contemplate while sitting in a tree stand.
The 'Bonker
The 'Bonker
bjkpharmd
New Member
Why lime anyway?
Switch (as far as I know) is very pH tolerant.
Bonker- heat won't change pH but it could change chemical structure (well then it sort of could I guess if you were to actually remember things from chemistry that were useful). I can think of better things to contemplate sitting in a tree stand.
Switch (as far as I know) is very pH tolerant.
Bonker- heat won't change pH but it could change chemical structure (well then it sort of could I guess if you were to actually remember things from chemistry that were useful). I can think of better things to contemplate sitting in a tree stand.
bjkpharmd
New Member
Hurstville Lime kilns
http://www.jacksonccb.com/Hurstvillelimekilns.html
Almost as good as the tacos but of course they moved to Maquoketa.
http://www.jacksonccb.com/Hurstvillelimekilns.html
Almost as good as the tacos but of course they moved to Maquoketa.
bjkpharmd
New Member
Tacos moved- not the scientist- he was already there. He died before Obie's was ever opened but he was a famous guy.
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/millikan.html
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/millikan.html
Fishbonker
Life Member
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pharmer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can think of better things to contemplate sitting in a tree stand. </div></div>
Yeah, well, I can only contemplate sex and winning the lottery so much.....
Heat changes the limestone by separating the limestone (calcium carbonate) into quick lime (calcium oxide) and carbon dioxide. The heat separates the carbon dioxide, a weak acid, and makes the resulting quick lime more alkaline. But again, the heat needs to get to 800-900C (1450-1600F) and as soon as the reaction is over the quick lime re-absorbs carbon dioxide. So, buring the lime will make it slightly more alkaline for a short period of time, but I don't know if a switchgrass fire can generate the heat necessary to calcinate the limestone. Old time lime kilns used coal and updraft type furnaces to generate the heat needed to create quick lime.
The 'Bonker
Yeah, well, I can only contemplate sex and winning the lottery so much.....
Heat changes the limestone by separating the limestone (calcium carbonate) into quick lime (calcium oxide) and carbon dioxide. The heat separates the carbon dioxide, a weak acid, and makes the resulting quick lime more alkaline. But again, the heat needs to get to 800-900C (1450-1600F) and as soon as the reaction is over the quick lime re-absorbs carbon dioxide. So, buring the lime will make it slightly more alkaline for a short period of time, but I don't know if a switchgrass fire can generate the heat necessary to calcinate the limestone. Old time lime kilns used coal and updraft type furnaces to generate the heat needed to create quick lime.
The 'Bonker
dbltree
Super Moderator
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fishbonker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pharmer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can think of better things to contemplate sitting in a tree stand. </div></div>
Yeah, well, I can only contemplate sex and winning the lottery so much.....
Heat changes the limestone by separating the limestone (calcium carbonate) into quick lime (calcium oxide) and carbon dioxide. The heat separates the carbon dioxide, a weak acid, and makes the resulting quick lime more alkaline. But again, the heat needs to get to 800-900C (1450-1600F) and as soon as the reaction is over the quick lime re-absorbs carbon dioxide. So, buring the lime will make it slightly more alkaline for a short period of time, but I don't know if a switchgrass fire can generate the heat necessary to calcinate the limestone. Old time lime kilns used coal and updraft type furnaces to generate the heat needed to create quick lime.
The 'Bonker </div></div>
I found this link on the subject but they heated limestone rock for 4 days to 2000 degrees to make...lime!
A Twist of Lime
Switchgrass does burn hot but it's only hot in any give spot for seconds and it's not 2000 degrees (perhaps someone would volunteer to check the "temp" next time I burn... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
Also in this case the switchgrass stand is young and more then likely is more foxtail then anything so the fire will be much smaller and my feeling is that it will not phase the limein the least... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Yeah, well, I can only contemplate sex and winning the lottery so much.....
Heat changes the limestone by separating the limestone (calcium carbonate) into quick lime (calcium oxide) and carbon dioxide. The heat separates the carbon dioxide, a weak acid, and makes the resulting quick lime more alkaline. But again, the heat needs to get to 800-900C (1450-1600F) and as soon as the reaction is over the quick lime re-absorbs carbon dioxide. So, buring the lime will make it slightly more alkaline for a short period of time, but I don't know if a switchgrass fire can generate the heat necessary to calcinate the limestone. Old time lime kilns used coal and updraft type furnaces to generate the heat needed to create quick lime.
The 'Bonker </div></div>
I found this link on the subject but they heated limestone rock for 4 days to 2000 degrees to make...lime!
A Twist of Lime
Switchgrass does burn hot but it's only hot in any give spot for seconds and it's not 2000 degrees (perhaps someone would volunteer to check the "temp" next time I burn... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
Also in this case the switchgrass stand is young and more then likely is more foxtail then anything so the fire will be much smaller and my feeling is that it will not phase the limein the least... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
JNRBRONC
Well-Known Member
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbltree</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Switchgrass does burn hot but it's only hot in any give spot for seconds and it's not 2000 degrees (perhaps someone would volunteer to check the "temp" next time I burn... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
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I'll pass on the offer to check the temp of a switchgrass burn as I've been involved in a few prairie burns myself.
With all this talk of temperature, I thought it should be pointed out that the temp of the fire is coolest at the ground, where one would find the lime. Heat rises.
Switchgrass does burn hot but it's only hot in any give spot for seconds and it's not 2000 degrees (perhaps someone would volunteer to check the "temp" next time I burn... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )
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I'll pass on the offer to check the temp of a switchgrass burn as I've been involved in a few prairie burns myself.
With all this talk of temperature, I thought it should be pointed out that the temp of the fire is coolest at the ground, where one would find the lime. Heat rises.