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Question; Bowhunters discriminated against ???

Hardcorehunter

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How come two bowhunters can't party hunt but gun hunters can? Seems one sided to me that two bowhunters while in the field together can each have doe tags but one hunter can't shoot a doe for the other; meanwhile a party hunting gun hunter can shoot twenty deer at once as long as the people in his party have tags. Are bowhunters being descriminated against?? HCH
 
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I have a longer history of shotgun hunting than archery. I never liked the "party hunting" during shotgun and see no reason for it for archery. I wouldn't mind seeing it abolished altoghethor. My $0.02.
 
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I think that would be a great idea, I know 5 or 6 buddies that would go hunting with me and let me fill there buck tags. That means I could shoot 5-6 bucks a year during the rut over 140 .......See where I am getting at, not a good idea
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Doe tags are cheap enough I don't see a need for party hunting with bows.
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Why are gunhunters allowed to and bowhunters not? If I am out in the woods with my boy and we have 6 doe tags between us why is he not allowed to shoot a doe for me? Gun hunters get to. That is my only question; why do guns get to and bows don't?? If it is illegal for the bowhunter then it should be for the gun hunter too.
 
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What really counts as 'hunting together' when bowhunting....what would they consider party hunting?
 
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Buy all the doe tags you want for your son and yourself.....

Party hunting and bow season or early muzzy season don't mix.

No comment on shotgun party hunting other than it is a necessary tool used for the reduction of the deer population in this state. IMO it helps IOWA stay in better terms with the insurance company lobby, not to mention IOWA tradition.

Once again,... lets not try to divide our troops. We are very fortunate in this state to be offered the opportunities for lots of quality hunting time for lots of quality bucks.

If you feel descriminated against, look around at our bordering states and see what they have to offer to a diehard whitetail hunter.

Peace Out!
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When the whole party hunting concept started,the bowhunters stood up and stated loudly and very clearly"Ain't nobody but me shooting my deer" As a whole bowhunters like the solitary of our sport.Don't get me wrong we love hashing & rehashing the hunt with our buddies, but the actual hunt should be 1 on 1. I would be mad as hell if someone shot my deer,I'd rather eat tag soup than put my tag on somebody elses deer. JMO

I believe if you polled the bowhunters not many would want any part of party hunting.You can't find many states (if any) that allow party hunting with a gun let alone a bow. Over the years some concessions were made, how else do you think we have kept the gun season out of the rut.
 
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Seems odd to me that two bowhunters who are sitting in a Double Bull blind in IA and one can't legally shoot a deer for the other person if the shot presents itself to the other person better yet a shotgun hunter can shoot 100 deer for the rest of his party.
The state of IA is into their big bucks and the tourism and noteriety it brings here; we don't have to worry about gun season allowed during the rut.
 
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Seems odd to me that two bowhunters who are sitting in a Double Bull blind in IA and one can't legally shoot a deer for the other person if the shot presents itself to the other person better yet a shotgun hunter can shoot 100 deer for the rest of his party.

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I guess I simply don't understand why you feel there is a need for party hunting during bow season.
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I mean if two bow hunters are sitting in a Double Bull together don't they both have their own tags already?

You mean to tell me that you would put your bow buck tag on your hunting partner's buck if he had a better shot?

I am really struggling to see your logic on this...enlighten me.
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Seems odd to me that two bowhunters who are sitting in a Double Bull blind in IA and one can't legally shoot a deer for the other person if the shot presents itself to the other person better yet a shotgun hunter can shoot 100 deer for the rest of his party.

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I guess I simply don't understand why you feel there is a need for party hunting during bow season.
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I mean if two bow hunters are sitting in a Double Bull together don't they both have their own tags already?

You mean to tell me that you would put your bow buck tag on your hunting partner's buck if he had a better shot?

I am really struggling to see your logic on this...enlighten me.
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[/ QUOTE ]I don't know why there is a need to party hunt during the shot gun season either; why one and not the other, that is all I am asking.
 
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As a whole bowhunters like the solitary of our sport.Don't get me wrong we love hashing & rehashing the hunt with our buddies, but the actual hunt should be 1 on 1.


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Well stated. To each their own on this topic but I agree that bowhunting is a 1 on 1 sport. I wouldn't be upset if someone else shot a doe and used "my" tag for it if the law said it could be done but I see absolutely no need for the system to be changed with the other party hunting options available. I personally like things the way they are.
 
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Man, I would not like party hunting for archery at all. Even if it was legal (hopefully never) I would never put my tag on someone else's deer a buck or doe. I bowhunt for me, no one else. It is a one on one thing for me. I am the one preparing for all aspects of the hunt. When the moment of truth comes and you harvest that animal buck or doe That is my reward and self gratification for all that I did not for someone else. JMO.
 
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I'm wondering if you want to fill someone elses tag, OR do you want someone to fill your tag for you. ?????

If you want to party hunt that bad then you should consider hunting during the shotgun season.

My opinion is NO to party hunting. Even when I did hunt shotgun deason a long time ago. If I didn't shoot it I wasn't tagging it. period.

As a bowhunter I do not feel discriminated against at all , Rather I feel blessed to have the awesome bow season we have here in Iowa.

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we don't have to worry about gun season allowed during the rut.


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Werent the DNR and State agencies trying to push for the gun season during the rut a few years ago before all these antlerless tags were brought into the picture???
I wouldnt say we dont have to worry about a gun season during the rut. It could happen easily if the right poeple got behind it. JMO.
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Guys, I enjoy bowhunting with the one on one experience and that is why I am only a bowhunter. I asked this question on a nation wide forum and it sounds like only IA is allowing gun hunters to put their tag on a deer they didn't kill.I personally have never liked the party hunting gun season but as hunters we need to stick together and I won't put down another man's way of hunting. I myself see nothing wrong(but since it is illegal we don't practice this) with two people in a blind bowhunting and one shooting a doe for another as long as a doe tag is present between the two. Of course no one wants to put their buck tag on someone elses deer or have someone else shoot their buck. The state wants does shot so I just can't see why a gun hunter gets to and a bowhunter doesn't.
 
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I asked this question on a nation wide forum and it sounds like only IA is allowing gun hunters to put their tag on a deer they didn't kill.

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Not true, Minnesota is also a party hunting state for firearms. Im not 100% on archery but that might be open for party hunting as well. Its been awhile since i looked at there regs. Thank god
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Hey thanks for letting me know about MN as well. MN and IA, is that it?
 
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HCH...here you go...

From Boone and Crocket...

PARTY HUNTING
“Party hunting” is a practice whereby one hunter tags an animal he or she has killed with the tag of another person in his or her hunting party. This practice is illegal in most states and provinces. Party hunting, which has been a fair chase concern of the Club for many years, is a legal practice in at least three states, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa, and one Canadian province, Ontario. The Club has adopted a policy concerning the acceptability of trophies taken while “party hunting” where such a practice is legal.

The Club will only accept the first deer killed by the hunter during that season and then only if the hunter uses his or her tag on that deer. If a hunter uses someone else’s tag on the deer he or she intends to submit for entry or if the hunter has taken other deer in that state or province during the same season and used another hunter’s tag on those deer, he or she may not enter these trophies into the Club’s Awards Program.

This policy does not apply to trophies taken in states/provinces that issue hunters multiple tags for the same species. Nor does it apply in states/provinces that issue a single license to multiple hunters. For example, Minnesota moose licenses are issued to a party of up to four hunters. The license is filled when any one of the hunters gets a moose. In such cases, all hunters can be listed in the book as hunters and/or owners.
 
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I see a couple of things that you are missing. First is the time aspect. Bow hunters have almost 3 months in the field while most shotgun hunters have only a week end during the first gun season, or maybe 2 weekends for the second season. Bow hunters have the greatest opprotunity to fill any extra tags themselves so why would they need to party hunt. Why should only bow hunters get to hunt during the rut peroid? Dosen't that discriminate against the gun hunters? Think about it, and understand that there are more voting gun hunters than bowhunters. Who would loose that fight?

Second thing is just one of sheer numbers. Even if bow party hunting were allowed how much impact would it actually have on the deer population, and how many only shoot a doe as something to settle for when Mr Big doesn't show up? If there were no party hunting during the gun seasons then the harvest numbers would go way down as would license sales.

I am not very happy with the current attitudes toward party hunting. When it started there were few deer and fewer hunters and tags available. It was meant to allow groups to harvest deer even if the correct person with the correct tag wasn't in the correct spot for the correct deer. Back then there was a lottery to see if you could even get a tag and then 80% were for bucks only. Hunters were not so infactuated with horns and size then, and the buck doe ratio was much smaller so there weren't many bucks to even see much less shoot. At that time there were darn few anysex tags that went on bucks, almost the entire 20% went on does. Party hunting allowed the hunter with a bucks only tag to shoot one of the 5 does he saw that had completely disassociated themselves from the bucks after the rut. People had a chance to harvest a deer that way. Now the system is being abused by greedy people just looking for a chance to kill more bucks, in some cases even small bucks as long as it is a buck. That to me is the real waste. Years ago the family group I hunted with decided before the hunt who didn't mind taging a deer shot by someone else, and that only one buck per hunter could be killed not 6 or 8 just to fill tags. Why wouldn't ethical groups do that today? Why have we created a society that seems to equate sucess and skill with both the number and size of bucks taken. If horn size equals hunting skill why would any hunter ever shoot a buck smaller than an earlier kill? Just to say he killed a decent buck. Why not shoot a doe instead as long as a good opprotunity presents itself? The only answer I can see is greed, but that is just my opinion.

I hunt deer with bows, muzzle loaders, and shotguns( no centerfire rifles), singlely, and in groups and will continue to do so. Another post asked the question Why do You Hunt. I guess my answer is because I really enjoy it, and I mean almost all aspects of it. I enjoy the outdoors and the wildlife and respect it very much and deer hunting and bird hunting are very special privilages not to be taken lightly or debased by greed or envey in anyway. Remember united we stand divided we fall and the future of hunting and fishing depends on us right now.
 
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I'm against party hunting, in general. I don't put my tag on others deer, and I don't want someone else putting their tag on mine.

There's really no need to party hunt for deer during the bow season. From what I gather, there usually are several doe tags available, so any hunter that wants to shoot several deer can get takes.

I disagree with allowing gun hunters to party tag for bucks, especially since populations seem to be rising. I see no reason why some hunters ought to be allowed to shoot multiple bucks, then leave the woods when we need to control the herd.
 
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Great posts guys!!!! I am seeing everybodies views on the matter. I myself would prefer to end the practice of party hunting. I think so many gun hunters were doing it before it was made legal a few years back that making it illegal now would have very little impact. I see your point about gun hunters being discriminated because they don't get to hunt the rut. The DNR does this so that we can have huge bucks in IA. We have more Boone and Crocket records than any other state in the nation. Different rules for different hunters has always been an issue throughout history. HCH
 
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