Rejuvenated - Aggravated

[BDAHMS]

I know for a fact if I knew or found out that someone killed my dogs I would be going to prison for murder. Yes I'm a hunter but to know some people out there would go to that extent just reminds me of why we don't lease or allow other hunters to hunt our land.

But are your dogs running other peoples land and not watched after? From how you stated that you would murder a human over your dog I doubt you would ever find yourself in that situation where your dogs are continuously showing up on others trail cameras and ignoring someone reaching out to fix the issue the best way

we aren't saying (most of us) we will just shoot a family pet- I have a black lab and he is part of the family. But I also would make sure he didn't get out again if I had a hunter approach me about the issue and I thought there was a chance he could get hurt/killed. Again- I think most bad dogs aren't the dogs fault- bad dogs usually means bad owners- last resort for me would be taking care of it myself- last resort or not- it could end up being the path taken

 

[beararchery]

Will never shoot a dog, just don't have it in me. Had a coon hound get off her chain one day next day found her shot. Never once had someone come talk to me about my dog running their property. Would have been a simple fix but now I'm out a good dog.

 

[IowaBuckSlayer2013]

Will never shoot a dog, just don't have it in me. Had a coon hound get off her chain one day next day found her shot. Never once had someone come talk to me about my dog running their property. Would have been a simple fix but now I'm out a good dog.

Exactly. I rest my case.

 

[Rich77]

I dealt with my fair share of dogs when i was running a few hundred traps. You could tell immediately if a dog was wild or a pet.
I hauled 6-8 pets home unharmed from snares or footholds. They were more than relieved to see me and were happy to be released and i talked with the owners and never had another problem with them.
I did have a coon hound get caught 2 miles from where he belonged, he was stone cold dead in a legally set 220 and his owner was upset but agreed that he never should have been on our property.
I returned the dog and all of his shock/gps collars and tags. Im still very good friends with this person and have never had a problem with his dogs.
Hunting wise we have had a few issues with dumped dogs out in the middle of nowhere. We know all the neighbors and their dogs so we can handle it pretty easy and they usually head to the closest farmhouse looking for a meal vs chasing wild critters.
If it came down to wild dogs running deer i guess i would view them no different than a coyote

 

[Forestryguy]

I will admit that I would rather shoot a wild or pack running dog, than try to work something out with the owners. But if they are collard or just out meandering around I would give the dog the benefit and try to get the owner to keep it under control. I am guessing that the"causing problems" part of the law is going to be discretionary to the officer and the courts. I have had my dog threatened because of dealing with another problem dog in town. He was then trained to be an indoor dog. But it was well known that if my dog was messed with I was going to unleash hell to the person or people that did it. Yes, I would have gone to jail over a dog, he has done more for me in dealing with the problems in my life than any other person has.

If I owned property and managed it for wildlife and had a reoccurring problem with dogs I would try to work with the owners and take it through the proper channels. Only if those failed I would put the dog down as a final option.

 

[MO-APE]

I've had a pitbull on my trail cameras twice on this new farm I just picked up. It doesn't have a collar and there are no farmhouses especially close. I imagine it is a dumped dog. If I see it in person the decision will be easy for me. I can only imagine if my kids were playing around the land and ran into him.

 

[Daver]

Exactly. I rest my case.

Only no one on this thread recommended shooting a dog on a first time basis. The answers were in the context of the original question asked where the hunter had already tried to resolve the situation with the dog owners multiple times...to no avail.

If the animal is a cared for pet, I have gone way, way out of my way to make sure the dog was safely returned home on multiple occasions. I have interrupted hunts, I have ceased trapping my own land in one case because of an otherwise good neighbor with a roaming puppy, etc.

It sounds like others posting here have done the same. However, some pet owners just turn them loose and let them run and talking to them about it is never going to change that. In those situations I deal with it differently.

 

[bowhuntinpacker]

I've been reading all these threads and I've came to the conclusion that I would do everything in my power to solve the issue without the "take my own action". Whether it be talk I the owners numerous times. Law enforcement or even try to get animal control in. But shooting a family pet and then just throwing it in a ditch just isn't worth it for me. Hunting is a privilege.

 

[Ben Hanson]

As a coon hunter to both protect my dogs and myself I keep up to date on the laws regarding dogs in Iowa. The only way you can legally shoot someone else's dog, even if it's on your property, in Iowa is 1. No rabies tag 2. Self defense 3. Molesting livestock or domestic animals. Unless the dog meets one of those requirements you could be in for some large fines if the owner wants to pursue it. If you have talked to the owner about the problem without any results I would go talk to them with the sheriff present. If that doesn't work dogs are very smart animals and learn quickly after a high powered rifle round flies a foot over their head a couple times.

 

[Daver]

... If that doesn't work dogs are very smart animals and learn quickly after a high powered rifle round flies a foot over their head a couple times.

FWIW, I did the warning shot routine on two separate dogs, two separate times each and both were back within a few days. Perhaps that works with some dogs, but it for sure doesn't work with all dogs.

 

[6x6]

As a coon hunter to both protect my dogs and myself I keep up to date on the laws regarding dogs in Iowa. The only way you can legally shoot someone else's dog, even if it's on your property, in Iowa is 1. No rabies tag 2. Self defense 3. Molesting livestock or domestic animals. Unless the dog meets one of those requirements you could be in for some large fines if the owner wants to pursue it. If you have talked to the owner about the problem without any results I would go talk to them with the sheriff present. If that doesn't work dogs are very smart animals and learn quickly after a high powered rifle round flies a foot over their head a couple times.

Again, alot of you are missing the point of what has been said, over and over. Most of us would never kill a collared hunting dog, unless owner refuses to do something, pet or any dog that would allow us to catch them. We are talking about neglected free running dogs, the owners don't give 2 s**ts about. The same ones that are having puppies as fast as they can spit them out. Unfortunately the people I know of that neglect their dogs this way, go right back out and get more. Another problem is the people that get hunting breeds of dogs to be loose farm dogs. I have never seen a hunting dog worth a crap, that was allowed to hunt on his own. Then there are the people who move to the country from the city and think the dogs can now run and play all they want. It's not hard to tell what kind of dog you are dealing with. I also had an uncollared pitbull cross, running/baying deer, showing up on cameras all over the area, last bowseason. My area is so heavily timbered that it is very hard to find them. After 2 weeks he ran deer past my blind....that was a good day, no regrets.

 

[madplotter]

I had a problem with the neighbors dogs running free. it was sooo bad could not hunt the east 40 of my farm. I caught them ranging further and further into my farm. I kicked his butt all the way home (he was a nice walker dog) and then talked to the owners. They made an effort to keep them corralled and they did manage to stay on the east side, which I just wrote off until the dogs passed. I kept my cool (dog lover, especially hounds) and we ended up buying their property a few years later. We always tried to work with them but you cannot do that with everyone. These were just old country folk who wanted no trouble. I made a judgement that they were good folks and it worked out for all. If people are jerks and their animals are destructive, it is obvious what must be done.

Keep in mind, any of us that have been or are hard core houndsmen know the heartbreaking stories of good hounds that have been destroyed by evil people. I know of hunters that have returned home to face their family and tell them their beloved hound is never coming home. It's all a judgement call on your end, you have to use your instincts. That said, I would never use an arrow.

As far as cats, kill em all, no questions and no witnesses and the yotes will have them cleaned up before they hit the ground...

 

[IowaBuckSlayer2013]

Again, alot of you are missing the point of what has been said, over and over. Most of us would never kill a collared hunting dog, unless owner refuses to do something, pet or any dog that would allow us to catch them. We are talking about neglected free running dogs, the owners don't give 2 s**ts about. The same ones that are having puppies as fast as they can spit them out. Unfortunately the people I know of that neglect their dogs this way, go right back out and get more. Another problem is the people that get hunting breeds of dogs to be loose farm dogs. I have never seen a hunting dog worth a crap, that was allowed to hunt on his own. Then there are the people who move to the country from the city and think the dogs can now run and play all they want. It's not hard to tell what kind of dog you are dealing with. I also had an uncollared pitbull cross, running/baying deer, showing up on cameras all over the area, last bowseason. My area is so heavily timbered that it is very hard to find them. After 2 weeks he ran deer past my blind....that was a good day, no regrets.

That's funny your the second one who has referred to pitbulls. I can tell now your one of those band wagon riders who push to ban breeds. And what's funnier is I own two pitbulls and have never once had them chase deer or any other animal at that.

 

[MO-APE]

That's funny your the second one who has referred to pitbulls. I can tell now your one of those band wagon riders who push to ban breeds. And what's funnier is I own two pitbulls and have never once had them chase deer or any other animal at that.

Just six year old kids . Jokes, only jokes!

Let me ask you this...if you had an un-collared, feral dog roaming your land and you bumped into it at dusk, would you rather it be a pit bull or a coon hound?

 

[6x6]

Madplotter- I've run coonhounds and had birddogs my whole life, so I know where you are coming from. As far as using an arrow...why hunt deer with a bow then? You gotta make do with what you got at the time.

IowaBuckSlayer2013- I could care less about pitbull ownership. I know it's all how they are raised. You sound like a very responsible dog owner, but relax dude. You obviously don't manage your own hunting area or you would understand the frustration.

 

[nannyslayer]

Deer are getting awful rutty down this way. Lots of bow hunters in the woods, with youth rifle season coming this weekend, and regular rifle season in 2 weeks, I'm keeping my dogs at home till after thanksgiving. Too many people out in the woods that will kill a dog because it messed up their hunt. If one of my dogs are on livestock, have you backed in a corner, kill it before I get there because I'm going too anyways.

In Missouri is against the law to shoot a dog on your property unless it is causing damage. State ground, it is illegal to shoot one unless you are under attack.

I keep my dogs out of the woods this time of year, because I use pit bulls to catch hogs. If one were to go after a running hog, they would be out of my reach for a time period. I could completely understand someone shooting one of them, if they see it running at them. Mine are pretty much trained to go back to the truck or to a person, when they are not on a race or caught, so I could see how someone would be nervous as heck with a pit bull wearing full caviler running at them. Best to just leave em home, let em rest up, because they are going to have a busy winter!

But, one of our farms seems to be the cesspool of dropping dogs off. We have had to end a few of them that had calves down. All of our neighbors dogs don't give us problems, and take em back home, or have them come get them. Running dogs don't bother us as well, if they are on track, they will be gone shortly. I think most people on here are sure enough and responsible enough to tell the difference in a wild dog vs a hunting dog and would do the right thing.

 

[madplotter]

Madplotter- I've run coonhounds and had birddogs my whole life, so I know where you are coming from. As far as using an arrow...why hunt deer with a bow then? You gotta make do with what you got at the time.

IowaBuckSlayer2013- I could care less about pitbull ownership. I know it's all how they are raised. You sound like a very responsible dog owner, but relax dude. You obviously don't manage your own hunting area or you would understand the frustration.

You're right 6x6 but just sure as heck I would end up having a dog running around with an arrow hanging in it...

 

[6x6]

Deer are getting awful rutty down this way. Lots of bow hunters in the woods, with youth rifle season coming this weekend, and regular rifle season in 2 weeks, I'm keeping my dogs at home till after thanksgiving. Too many people out in the woods that will kill a dog because it messed up their hunt. If one of my dogs are on livestock, have you backed in a corner, kill it before I get there because I'm going too anyways.

In Missouri is against the law to shoot a dog on your property unless it is causing damage. State ground, it is illegal to shoot one unless you are under attack.

I keep my dogs out of the woods this time of year, because I use pit bulls to catch hogs. If one were to go after a running hog, they would be out of my reach for a time period. I could completely understand someone shooting one of them, if they see it running at them. Mine are pretty much trained to go back to the truck or to a person, when they are not on a race or caught, so I could see how someone would be nervous as heck with a pit bull wearing full caviler running at them. Best to just leave em home, let em rest up, because they are going to have a busy winter!

But, one of our farms seems to be the cesspool of dropping dogs off. We have had to end a few of them that had calves down. All of our neighbors dogs don't give us problems, and take em back home, or have them come get them. Running dogs don't bother us as well, if they are on track, they will be gone shortly. I think most people on here are sure enough and responsible enough to tell the difference in a wild dog vs a hunting dog and would do the right thing.

That's exactly right Nanny. We all know who's dogs are who's around here and would not be killing our neighbors pets or hunting dogs. Big difference between them and the mixed breed mutts that are running deer, barking the whole time, showing up cameras all hours of the day and night.