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Should Iowa require plugged guns during shotgun?

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I really didn't expect this to be considered an anti-hunting type of question. I am about as pro-hunting as they come. That being said I am a hunter not a shooter. I really dont have an opinion on the issue as I use my muzzleloader. It was just interesting watching the 6 guys on my neighbors farm take over 100 shots. I wasn't complaining as every deer that survived the gauntlet was bunched up in my timber. I did find three dead deer on Sunday though. I just figured if they have it implemented for waterfowl it wouldn't be that hard to implement it for deer.
 
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Mr. Youngbuck, I did not take this so personal. I believe you have, the gentleman that started the question just asked a simple question and You started defending gun hunters. Why didnt you just state your answer? No you had to go on about Sara Brady and anti-hunting.
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To answer your question I do believe that you would see less unethical shots because of that deer being shot at 8 times over a 300 yrd distance at 150 yrds you would only have 3 shots being fired at that running deer. Most people would say I only have 3 shots to judge my distance. Will some people still do it, sure they will. But the # would be down, guaranteed.

So to answer your question out right. Yes it would cut down unethical shots because you have less lead to make that unethical shot.

Also good job on 3 shots and 3 deer. I commend you for that. Good shoot'n

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I see no logic in your statement at all, first off, how many shotguns can hold 8 shells? Second, how often will 8 shots be able to be taken? A shotgun does not have the same effective range as a rifle, I think you are letting your personal views cloud the whole issue. I can't imagine looking down my nose at a fellow hunter as long as he/she was using legal ethical means, I am going to support them to the fullest, regardless of their weapon of choice. Why can't you? Someone that will take an un-ethical shot will do it wether they are using a bow,shotgun,pistol, or muzzleloader.
 
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In the end plugs or no plugs people are going to take as many shots at a deer as they can. Say you do start using plugs, then what, can you only take one arrow into the timber? Granted that's all you usually need but I can think of four or five monsters that have been killed on the second or even third arrow. Do I think that you should be taking 200 yrd. shots at a running deer? No I dont, but there are stupid people in this world. You're not going to fix them by cutting down on their ammo.
 
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Give it a rest youngbuck good grief....

I have never seen anyone try so hard to make a stir. Why can't people just give their opinions and leave it at that. This all started as a topic of if it would be beneficial to the wellbeing of deer to have plugs in shotguns.

I don't think that anyone here is in favor of taking unethical shots at deer because if they take the time to be a participant of this forum I would think that they truly do care about hunting, it's future, and the wellbeing of the creatures we hunt.

I am sick and tired of all of this hunter against hunter crap and the only thing I have done is try to point out that someone else doesn't mean what you seem to interpret everything to be a slam against shotgun hunting. I don't get it. Why don't you do us all a favor and take your stupid chip off your shoulder because aren't giving any information that anybody else doesn't know already and you aren't getting anywhere by cluttering these forums. I don't want to feed any fires or create any kind of stir, I am just saying that this crap shouldn't be happening in this forum

I have never seen a forum that is made up of so many great people with so much knowledge to share. I can't say enough how much I enjoy reading what they have to say about ethics and hunting in general. I have learned so much since I have become a part of this forum and I hate to see this type of crap fill up the forum because it has to be discouraging to reply to a topic like this and I would really have liked to hear what some of the senior members have to say but now that probably won't happen because they won't take the time to read all of this garbage.
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Give it a rest youngbuck good grief....

I have never seen anyone try so hard to make a stir. Why can't people just give their opinions and leave it at that. This all started as a topic of if it would be beneficial to the wellbeing of deer to have plugs in shotguns.

I don't think that anyone here is in favor of taking unethical shots at deer because if they take the time to be a participant of this forum I would think that they truly do care about hunting, it's future, and the wellbeing of the creatures we hunt.

I am sick and tired of all of this hunter against hunter crap and the only thing I have done is try to point out that someone else doesn't mean what you seem to interpret everything to be a slam against shotgun hunting. I don't get it. Why don't you do us all a favor and take your stupid chip off your shoulder because aren't giving any information that anybody else doesn't know already and you aren't getting anywhere by cluttering these forums. I don't want to feed any fires or create any kind of stir, I am just saying that this crap shouldn't be happening in this forum

I have never seen a forum that is made up of so many great people with so much knowledge to share. I can't say enough how much I enjoy reading what they have to say about ethics and hunting in general. I have learned so much since I have become a part of this forum and I hate to see this type of crap fill up the forum because it has to be discouraging to reply to a topic like this and I would really have liked to hear what some of the senior members have to say but now that probably won't happen because they won't take the time to read all of this garbage.
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Maybe you should take your own advice??

I will defend anyone's right to legally and ethically hunt with any weapon they choose.
 
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I think having plugs in guns would help in the amount people shoot, but would not help in the kind shots they take. People are going to take those shots. To be honest with you, I have taken those shots when I was younger, just starting out. When I think back on it, I believe the reason why is just because I simply missed the first shot and then it makes you keep shooting because you want that deer. I remember this one time, when I was probably about 14 sitting post on the edge of a bean field. I had a big buck come out and stop at 50 yards, he was just standing there I pulled up and shot too quick shooting over him. Shocked that I missed, I pulled up and shot again, and again, and again, and again until I was out of shells. I couldn't believe I missed, and couldn't believe how much ground he covered in the last 4 shells. I mean when I was shooting at him, I could of swore he was still way under 100 yards by the time the last shot was fired even though it was probably more like 200 yards. I think this kind of scenario happens to a lot of people, and hopefully they learn from their mistakes like I did. Would a plug of helped me in the situation, not really, I still would of shot 3 times, but only 3 times which would have been good
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Re: Should Iowa require plugged guns during shotgu

I'd say, don't frickin worry about it.

I wouldn't put the people taking multiple shots at deer in an unethical catagory. My bet is as LIV4RUT said, youth and/or inexperience probably accounts for most of it. Most of the deer hunters in Iowa, or for that matter, every other state, only hunt deer one weekend a year. So if some are out there lobbing lead just be glad they are only doing it for a few days.

Besides, they miss more deer than they ever hit anyway.
 
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Do you guys have a plug requirement for birds?
 
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It's the same here Limb, that's why I was wondering. Beleieve it is 3 for deer in the shotgun zone around Saskatoon as well.
 
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just read 6 pages of people crying about shotgun hunters on another forum, and though "glad we don't have that crap on IW this year" just to see this thread and be proven wrong.

shotgun hunters are the bread and butter of the iowa hunting system. they are what keep the numbers in check, so that we can have our bow seasons, and muzzleloader seasons, and not have pressure durring the rut.
 
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Not for upland game birds, infact, only limits at all are on waterfowl, except for the spring goose hunt, then there is no shell quantity restrictions.
 
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I think an antler restriction would be more beneficial than a shot restriction, I think this would slow a person down to look at the situation before pulling the trigger
 
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I've always wondered why there was a three shot limit on water fowl. Is it because if you wait for them to flair they are (relatively) easy pickins? I've never duck/goose hunted so I don't understand. Limiting the gun and hunter to three shots must be beneficial for some reason. Can anybody enlighten me?

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I thought it was dangerous to shoot plugged barrels
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We can talk about being ethical till we are blue in the face but the truth of the matter is that no matter what kind of hunting you do there are always animals wounded and not found. Bow hunters on this site all fall have been posting about shooting the big one and not being able to find him, yes shotgunners do wound several deer every year, not all at 150 yards, some at probably 10 yards walking through thick cover, never to be found. I also can't count how many times I watch TV and see goose or duck hunters blasting away on incoming flocks only to see one duck or goose fall. I'm sure that this was the only one hit by there "3" shots. What about pheasant hunters, how many pheasants do you think get hit with shot and don't come down only to die later of gang green or get eaten by something because they can't fly. The way I see it all forms of hunting (not all hunters)can be unethical and wound game not by the hunters choice but just because of the way it works. Irregardless of how many shells I can put in my gun I will continue to deer hunt, both with the bow and shotgun. I'm just guessing, but over my 20+ years of hunting I would say I personally have wounded or not found more deer with my bow than my shotgun. We need to work together as hunters not against each other because as said before it just makes us all look bad!
 
I will be using a double barreled shotgun this year, so I won't have to worry about more than two shots. I plan on making only one count. I haven't shotgun hunted in Iowa since 1990.
 
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We can talk about being ethical till we are blue in the face but the truth of the matter is that no matter what kind of hunting you do there are always animals wounded and not found. Bow hunters on this site all fall have been posting about shooting the big one and not being able to find him, yes shotgunners do wound several deer every year, not all at 150 yards, some at probably 10 yards walking through thick cover, never to be found. I also can't count how many times I watch TV and see goose or duck hunters blasting away on incoming flocks only to see one duck or goose fall. I'm sure that this was the only one hit by there "3" shots. What about pheasant hunters, how many pheasants do you think get hit with shot and don't come down only to die later of gang green or get eaten by something because they can't fly. The way I see it all forms of hunting (not all hunters)can be unethical and wound game not by the hunters choice but just because of the way it works. Irregardless of how many shells I can put in my gun I will continue to deer hunt, both with the bow and shotgun. I'm just guessing, but over my 20+ years of hunting I would say I personally have wounded or not found more deer with my bow than my shotgun. We need to work together as hunters not against each other because as said before it just makes us all look bad!

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I've always wondered why there was a three shot limit on water fowl. Is it because if you wait for them to flair they are (relatively) easy pickins? I've never duck/goose hunted so I don't understand. Limiting the gun and hunter to three shots must be beneficial for some reason. Can anybody enlighten me?

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I could be wrong about this, 'Bonker, since I'm not a hardcore waterfowler, but I've done it a handful of times. The three shot limitation was signed into federal law by FDR in the 1930s. At that time, waterfowl were desperately in need of conservation (this was about the same time that the federal duck stamp was born). With the use of repeating shotguns and live decoys, there were some pretty significant harvests of waterfowl taking place. The 3-shot limit was a conservation measure implemented to limit shooting capacity and give waterfowl a fighting chance.
 
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