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The bunk 35% cap on NR bow licenses...Explain

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MN Slick

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Let's talk about this bunk 35% cap on NR bow licenses. Can anyone, IBA member or not, give me a reason other than pure selfishness that you support this cap? I repeat OTHER than selfishness!!!!! I'm all for restricting the number of tags available to NR but this cap is utterly ridiculous. Thank you IBA for supporting your fellow bowhunters!!!!!!!!!!!!

Note: If I lived in Iowa I'd support it 100% (for selfish reasons).
 
Good grief! Here we go again!

All I will say is that it was the IBA who lead the campain to get NRs allowed to hunt deer in Iowa. Do you remember those days when you were not allowed at all? Don't bash the IBA when in fact you should be thanking them (for supporting their fellow hunters while you imply they have not).
 
MN Slick - here's your response

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The 35%, as written in law, was not a result of the efforts of the IBA; it
was done by a Des Moines legislator as an amendment in 1996 without our
knowledge or support. Prior to that, as a compromise to many bowhunters
during the original non-resident law passage, we had an unwritten agreement
with the DNR that guaranteed that no less than 35% of the would be archery
tags. This was done because it was feared that most of the tags would go to
gun hunters and the bowhunter would be pushed out.

In all the negotiations the past number of years we have made no efforts to
keep the 35% rule and have publically stated many time that we don't care.
However, its there and since no changes have been allowed to the basic
non-resident law structure, it probably be there for a while. We have
nothing to admit to, we didn't do it.

It is always interesting to listen to the debate on the 35% rule. There are
plenty in the DNR who feel this locks out too many shotgun hunters and there
are nonresident who feel they are kept from a license when the truth is
there chances of obtaining a nonresident archery license will go down if
this percentage is eliminated.


[/ QUOTE ] Randy Taylor - IBA President

The key here is .. that the IBA had an unwritten agreement while lobbying for the rights of NR bowhunters
with the DNR that guaranteed that no less than 35% of the would be archery
tags.

Selfish? I don't think so.
 
This site is to discuss hunting whitetails, shed hunting, tell stories, and show pictures of the majestic animals we all chase. It seems that several non residents (I myself am a Nonresident) are using this site to bitch and complain, whine and cry, and try to sling mud on something that has been beaten into the ground time and time again, year after year.

Lets try to keep the posts hunting oriented as the site is intended. If you feel you need a shoulder to cry on, complain to, or overall advise....call your mother, sibling, or close friend rather than have us listen to it. It is getting annoying.
 
MN Slick,

How about leaving out the sarcasm and attitude until you get the facts.
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I stand corrected and will admit I was wrong about the IBA and the cap. I do however believe it's a bit disingenuous to say that the IBA fought for NR to be allowed to hunt Iowa. They did it only because other states were going to lock out Iowans from hunting their state, not becuase IBA was looking out for us.
 
Anyone know why the DNR thinks the 35% cap is too large? Is it because they think NR gun hunters will help shoot more does than bowhunters? Which is of course true, but myself and many other bowhunters would be glad to shoot a doe if issued a reasonably priced tag. I know my landowner/farmer friends want me to shoot them. In fact, many tell me to shoot as many as you can which of course I can't do.
 
Alright, I have opted not to say a thing about all of the flaming that has been going on in a couple of threads lately. I am going to say something now, this is a great site because we don't have a lot of fighting and bickering. Because flaming is not tolerated 99% of the members are respectful and considerate people.

It is meant to be a place to share hunting information, stories and talk about our passion... There are a lot of other sites that allow people to be nasty and disrepectful... For those of you that fit that mold please remove yourself from this site and go bother someone else....

Mark....
 
I also was denied an archery permit this year for iowa,BIG DEAL,that just means I get a pref. point for next year,and the deer will only get bigger and bigger.Rules are rules,i dont mind waiting one more year for my trophy.
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MN Slick - why do you feel the need to come on the site flaming away about something you were obviously misinformed on? You are not the first NR to start a post along those lines either, see the DC180 post earlier this week for more of the same.

I think self-righteous, name calling NR posters such as yourselves are hurting your own cause with your crappy, inflammatory posts. Kindly take your venom to "fill in the blank state" whitetail.com and amuse yourself there. Oh wait, I forgot, your state doesn't offer the same high level of trophy hunting as Iowa does. It's funny how we can have such good deer hunting here since we are all so selfish, stupid, etc. Get lost!
 
shouldn't be too hard to figure out. 10-20 years ago there was little or no deer herd in iowa. now that our deer numbers are high, it sure seems stupid to start selling tags to the entire world to come in and start taking deer. we would be right back where we started. why don't you go change the tag drawings in other states (like elk tags out west) then come bother us with this.
i can't belive the bawling and bitching about this. if we let 500,000 people come in and shoot deer, where will the quality of our herd be?
 
Daver, I admitted I was wrong and I apoligize for flaming away. I stand corrected regarding the IBA stance on the cap.

Thrash, I wouldn't mind waiting until next year either if I lived in Illinois. Illinois and Iowa are arguably neck and neck for mature bucks.
 
TO ALL NON RESIDENTS THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IOWA'S HUNTING REGULATIONS!!!

FIRST OFF..... THIS PROBABLY AIN'T THE SMARTEST PLACE TO BITCH ABOUT IOWA HUNTING

SECOND...... THERE ARE OTHER STATES THAT HOLD BIG BUCKS, SO I ASK YOU THESE 5 QUESTIONS

1. WHY NOT TRY ONE OF THEM?
2. WHY NOT PICK ONE THAT HAS RULES YOU LIKE?
3. DID YOU NOT KNOW THESE RULES BEFORE YOU PURCHASED THE LAND
4. DO YOU THINK IOWA IS THE ONLY PLACE WITH BIG DEER?
5. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR STATE?
 
MN Slick,

Doesn't Minnesota have some nice deer? I have relatives up there that have taken some bucks that I am really jealous of.
 
MN slick,

Minnesota has great potential for big bucks. It just isn't managed for them at this time. It might pay to put some energy into supporting that cause so you can hunt them in your own state. A friend of mine from Minnesota, Mike Sieve has been working tirelessly for years to promote this goal. To get involved contact Bluffland Whitetails at www.blufflandwhitetails.org. Work with those guys for change. You can have just as many, or more, big bucks than Iowa!
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Old Buck
 
Ahhhh......old buck, but change is slow and the MN Dnr is slower. But you are exactly right.

shot a doe tonight in minus 10 weather,,,so therer is some deer left up here in MN despite horse crap management
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MN could really be something if it was properly managed. Until then it's all about where you hunt up here. If your in an area where some bucks are being allowed to grow it can be awesome. If not seeing a mature buck is tough. Same for Wisconsin. Here is an example...I own 80 acres of good habitat in Wiscsonson. On Nov. 14th I saw from my stand a 125" 8 pointer. He is the biggest buck I've seen on the land in 11 years. Next biggest before this year was 100". Okay, you can stop laughing now but this is the reality of a hard hunted area. You just can't hunt them if they are not there. I guess that's why some of us NR snap sometimes and come off looking like I did, a jagazz.
 
I have an idea. I think every state including Iowa should require hunters to take doe's before they can fill a buck tag. If the buck to doe ratio is really out of whack make them take 2 doe's before they can shoot a buck. Boy everyone would be seeing some whoppers then!!!!
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