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Ollie

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I own 170 acres in Van Buren County that is managed exclusively for wildlife. For the second year in a row, two close friends of mine from Kentucky have been denied permits to hunt deer on my property located in zone 6. What a joke considering that the deer harvest has set new records the last several years and that the legislature has mandated an additional 30,000+ antlerless deer licenses to reduce the deer herd. These gentlemen have been my friends and hosted me on their properties for many, many years and for two years running I have been denied the privilege of having them hunt on my property while listening to the DNR complain we are not killing enough deer. My renewel form for the Iowa Bowhunters Association is sitting on my table and will be sent to the trash can. They have done all they can to keep my friends and other non-resident hunters out of this state and I will no longer support them.
 
Before you go throwing out the form for the Iowa Bowhunters you should know that Iowa legislators are pushing to get shotgun season pushed back to the rut so they can even get more money for tags and after 2 or 3 seasons of opening up to out of staters with shotguns the big buck populations will be gone. As far as I can tell the Iowa Bowhunters are the only people doing anything about it so maybe you better send that membership back so when your friends do draw a tag they will get a shot at a big buck instead of a basket racked 2 year old deer because that is all the bigger they will get if the gov't gets their way and gets shotgun seasoned moved like most of our bordering states.
 
I don't get it. If your friends both had points, it looks like they should have gotten drawn. Unless if they applied together and one of them didn't have points or if either of them applied with someone else that didn't have points, then that would answer why they didn't. The way I understood it last year is if 10 people apply together and 9 of them has 1 point each and the other has zero, the group has zero points. That is the system in place and maybe you should argue against the system. I for one will continue to support the IBA and our DNR and also limiting the number of non-residents, just so long as we have a draw system that is fair to those applying for the chance.
 
John, if hunting your place is all you want, they have a chance to still come, just not for an antlered deer. I do not know the cost but this is something I read off the DNR site. "antlerless tags for nonresidents without landowner preference go on sale July 19." Something for them to check into anyways. Hunting to me is chasing big bucks with a bow but I will take a weekend or two, come to Iowa (2 miles for me vs. Kentucky) and hunt does with a good buddy of mine, just to share the hunting experience. Besides, if Rattle them in is right about the change in seasons, you may be heading to Kentucky for Trophy Hunting. I hope I did not step on toes but at least put things into perspective, a lot of people are applying and not getting drawn, including myself, they aren't picking on your buddies.
 
The last time I checked, Iowa did not have guards at the borders forcing us to stay here or be in the IBA? I don't agree with all that goes on in this recreational nightmare, but the game is over when you take your bat and go home. Choice is a great privilege and so is living here IMO.
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Just an idea, but party hunting is legal during shotgun season. So if they had doe tags and you had a buck tag one of them could shoot a buck, right? Just depends on when and how they would want to hunt.
 
There are draw backs to everything, but the draw system and quota has also done our residents a great service. We can still find a place to hunt even though most can't afford to buy land or pay HUGE sums for leases. I'd also have to guess that if anyone could hunt anytime, our hunting quality here in Iowa wouldn't be near as desirable. The DNR is finally liberalizing the amount of tags the residents can purchase. I believe our herd is small in regard to many other states and that the residents can easily control it, if allowed more tags in needed areas. I agree, it would be nice to have my friend from Wisconsin hunt every year with me, but we will make the most of the times he draws.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that the IBA was in part responsible for opening up our state to non-resident hunting.

The IBA has done more to promote our bowhunting rights than any other organization in the state.

Life membership is sounding better.
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I hear this every year. Anyone that would like cheap tags without very many restrictions can get them- they just have to move here.
 
Not this again
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See: "What's IA hunters feelings" Nonres started this similar topic on 1/10/03.

If I knew how to link you to this topic that was discussed in the past I would.

Limb, Onecam, can you help me out?

Thanks
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Boys and Girls all I have to say is if our legislators make an uneducated decision to move our gun season's back to pasify the insurance industry you might as well kiss our big buck population good bye. Unless you have a property owner that is going to be strict on management practices. Just another case of the almighty dollar running the show.
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Responding to the first comment in the thread. How can you say the harvest record has been set several years in a row.Maybe it has but I have NEVER been sent a survey to fill out after the season and they dont have check stations .Its a guess at best.
 
John,

You're telling me they were unable to draw aven an antlerless tag. I'm sure there will be leftover antlerless tags they can buy even for zone 6.
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My brother, which was born and raised in Iowa but now living in Wisconsin, failed to draw a tag again this year so in order for us to hunt together I'll just have to go to the state of Wisconsin so that we can hunt together. All I can shoot on the property there in Wisconsin is antlerless deer also. He was unsuccessful the last time he applied too but choose to accept an antlerless tag at $150+ to hunt with me and close friend. Why wouldn't your friends want to do the same? Or is it just about shooting big bucks? I'm sure that you have too many does on that managed 170 acres to take care of all of them yourself (which is why the DNR increased the antlerless tags again). Better yet, I'm sure your friends would love for you to go down to Kentucky and hunt with them there! Oh that's right, they don't have the quality herd that we have here. Maybe they should join the IBA and their deer herd will improve there as well.

I'll second the lifetime membership River Bottom Boy!!
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Im referring to a coment made on this post about pushing shot gun season back to the rut. I've heard it from other hunters, who gun hunt, not bow. But I think that is the worst idea. The rut is the greatest time to be in the woods. The wave of hunters walking around would deffinetly throw off the natural corse of the rut! Plus if it's moved back, what happens to the bow hunters??? I dropped shot gun season becuase I wanted to focuse on bow and muzzle loader. I want to stalk my game instead of have some one drive them to me. And if shot gun was durrring rut, bow hunting would be cut back, and I would seriously think about not hunting all together! I love to hunt, it's the greatest thing ever, but cutting back bow season just to get a few more guys carring guns around to make more money isn't the right option. If it came to that, I would turn in my bow, and they would lose my 100 dollars I spend on tages every year.

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Jason, I know exactly how the gun season in the rut feels. I went from hunting Iowa for a number of years, moved to Missouri to go to college and that is the way it is run down there with the addition of high powered rifles. I think they have the most screwed up system as far as the season goes and wrote to the MO DNR once to try an open up their eyes as to a better approach but no luck. The response I got was is that is the way the hunters in MO want it. No offense to gun hunters here but so the heck what, they already have enough advantages as it is. I'll get off my soap box now
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Nobody would be happy with the change in the long run. I think it would really screw up Iowas trphy hunting and they still would not get the does harvested which I think would be the number one goal in the first place.
 
Shredder and Jason, you are right on the money. Take it from a guy who has lived in Missouri all his life. Gun season during the rut will ruin the quality of your deer herd. Missouri has proven that you can have quantity but not quality. I personally prefer a good balance of the two and I think Iowa has that. Iowa needs to leave things the way they are and they will continue to have repeat customers like me and my hunting group. No more nonresident licenses than they have right now and leave the season dates as they are right now and what ever you do don't go to rifles or you will see a serious decline in quality bucks. I missed on the draw this year so I will get a doe tag and I am happy to do so in order to preserve what Iowa has. I don't see any body trying to beat down the doors in Missouri to hunt. That ought to tell you something.
 
Headgear, when I lived in Columbia from 1994-2001, I tons of bucks from 150-170 that were out of reach of the rifles by way of city limits or state parks. Missouri has awesome genetics with the most screwed up age structure known to man. Certain pockets down there are producing quality bucks on a regular basis because of QDM and more mature bucks in those areas(however some of the so called missouri bucks are IL, IA, and KS bucks that people crossed borders for).

One more point to add on how rifles and gun hunt rut seasons can affect a deer herd, this has been rumored the last couple of years from numerous sources of one individual near Argyle, IA consistently shooting exceptional bucks with a rifle from September on. Just ask people that either live around or hunt Croton unit Shimeik Forest what the buck population is like. I am sure you will get a response like the deer quality is ruined for years in that area. That is just one person with a gun at the wrong time of the year, imagine a legal season this time of year. (I know, most gun hunters are not like this Jack@$$). I would bet this is just a nasty rumor and the IDNR would not be foolish as to do this.
 
Moving Iowa's gun season will most definatly affect the quality of it's deer herd take it from me. Just like Missouri, here in Michigan our shotgun season opens on November 15th regardless of the day of week (including Sunday). The rut is in full swing and shotgun season brings it to a halt the first two hours of sunlight on the 15th every freeking year
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. We have nearly one million hunters in our woods on opening morning it looks like a pumpkin patch across the whole state. Don't mess with a good thing Iowans. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I agree with you on the genetics thing Shredder. We just like to kill them before they are able to breed here in Missouri. As far as the 150 and 170 class bucks go there aren't many in my neck of the woods down by Springfield. If you see a 130 class buck down here you have had a good year. I see at least 2 or more 130 class bucks every year in Iowa. In the 13 going on 14 years of hunting Iowa I've seen a half dozen or more 150+ class deer. I have never seen one in Missouri and last time we didn't get drawn we hunted about 10 miles south of the Iowa line and it was like a different world. For every good buck you see in Missouri there must be about 10 to 15 scrub bucks. Don't get me wrong I like to hunt either one. Iowa just has a better ratio of quality deer. I think you said it right when you said pockets in Missouri. Iowa is one big pocket.
 
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